[Tupelo]

Actually the problem is not what the progressive/liberal left is telling us. The problem is the sheeple that believe them. And the number of sheeple is growing by the day. I figure we have less than 20 years. Probably closer to 10 before either a 2nd revolution or a complete collapse. I fear a collapse more than a revolution since that will be an open invitation for our largest debt holder(s) to come in and take over.

[ClearCase_guy]

We'll do a Soviet Union style collapse. Not much fighting. We'll just split -- probably intio more than two countries. There will be a North/South split and also a West Coast split.

The Left-leaning nations which emerge will be surprised at how hard their life will be. But they'll have to suck it up -- I think they will have a difficult time forcing their will on the freedom-loving nation in their midst. I think 10 years from now is a good bet.