AZ:Followup: Deputies who Demanded Man in Desert Disarm, Refused to ID, Acted like Drug Runners

Gun Watch ^ | 21 August, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

More details emerge about the case in Arizona where deputies refused to ID themselves and demanded that a citizen disarm.

Several questions were brought up on Gun Watch that seemed deliberately ignored in the original stories.  Now we have some of the answers.

First question, was the vehicle a marked sheriff department vehicle or was it unmarked?

From an AP story on Yahoo:

According to court records, the deputy and his partner stopped their vehicle, then flashed their headlights and honked their horn, a common practice used by law enforcement to trick drug smugglers into thinking the car is there to transfer their narcotics load and lure them out of hiding.

I doubt that the deputies were trying to act like drug runners in a marked squad car.

The deputies then got out, also dressed in camouflage but clearly marked with sheriff's patches on their clothing, and began to track what appeared to be fresh footprints, authorities said.

Second  question, what did the deputies do to identify themselves?

 They were wearing camouflage, not regular uniforms.  Almost certainly, they did not have badges pinned to their camouflage, as it rather defeats the whole purpose of camouflage. 

When another man challenges them, they say... We are deputies, not drug runners!  And they point to a patch on their camouflage outfits, and to the word Sheriff in camouflage.

At night.  In the dark.  Illuminated by flashlight.  But, they refuse to produce I.D.

They call for backup, and everybody waits until the backup arrives.  At that point, Mr. Malley cooperates and is taken into custody, and charged with aggravated assault.

It was a bad situation.  I think both sides handled it pretty well. That is, up until they arrested Mr. Malley, who was only acting much as they would have done had the situations been reversed, only with more restraint.

One wonders how many times this scenario has occurred, where both parties apologized, said, "we need better coordination" and left without any arrests or news stories.

It was almost certainly an unmarked vehicle.  We know that the deputies were in camouflage instead of regular uniforms.  It is unlikely  that they were wearing badges.   They were deliberately acting like drug runners.  They refused to show ID.

I think all charges against Mr. Malley should be dropped.

Arizona has a defensive display law that allows a citizen to display a firearm if he has legitimate reason to fear for his safety.

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[marktwain]

Act like drug runners, get treated like drug runners. The travesty is that everyone did not just apologize and seek better coordination.

[mountainlion]

The Viet Cong wore the same silk pajamas that the general public wore. They identified themselves with a full auto burst form an AK47. There was a guy around here that has a uniform and a badge that went around raping women. How do you know who to trust?

[Big Red Badger]

Hinky,,

[marktwain]

Something I missed in one of the first reports: One deputy did show Malley his badge.

I am begining to wonder if the deputies had their credentials with them.

[X-spurt]

Their Federale brothers across the Border are often involved not as LEO with smuggling, what’s the chances some AZ deputies got in on the action too and got caught by the Militia?

[marktwain]

Things that make you go hmmm....

[Hardastarboard]

BTK guy wore a uniform and badge IIRC.

[Big Red Badger]

spy vs spy scene,

dangerous,,,,