I am saying YOU have surrendered the 4th by your own actions.
Perhaps not you, but the public in general.
Why are they shocked?
Why would Alice Kravitz be shocked that someone is watching her?
Posted on 07/29/2013 7:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
The traitor to our country and NSA, Edward Snowden, is now making the rounds of the major Communist countries; China and Russia, with either Ecuador or Venezuela or possible Cuba being a final destination. Who knows, it may be someplace no one ever thought about.
For all of you who labeled him a hero, I must excuse your ignorance on national security issues. If you haven’t worked in the intelligence community, you have no idea the damage that this sniveling coward has done to the intelligence community’s efforts and endangered your life and those of your loved ones.. When both the Russian and Chinese governments are sheltering him, he must have a mother lode of information.
When he initially left the United States, his exodus to Hong Kong was labeled by those sympathetic to him as a hero fleeing possible torment by this government. But, why to Hong Kong, controlled by the Chinese? If he had indeed been a true NSA whistleblower, such as Bill Binnie, Russ Tice or Tom Drake..(they’re racking up, aren’t they?)….he would still be in the US. While I don’t condone the actions of the three named, I have to give them their due for not running away.
While in Hong Kong, no doubt visited and interrogated by Chinese intelligence, he is now as of this writing, in Moscow, where he will be similarly interrogated. These are not the actions of a whistleblower, but of one who is not only sympathetic to Communist countries but may well be working for an organization who is friendly to one or both of these countries. Whatever the real reason is for his defection, the United States doesn’t fare well under any circumstance.
The damage to our intelligence community and national security is immeasurable. The only thing we have gleaned from this is our security policy is lacking: miserably. Unfortunately, we’ll be paying a heavy price.
Our defense department and intelligence community, thanks to the efforts of the Obama administration are already weakened. Thanks to the politically correct programs enacted: women in combat, revocation of ’don’t ask, don’t tell’ , attacks on religious freedom, restrictions on engaging the enemy in combat, and so on..we’re on very shaky ground.
Snowden was obviously working with someone else; he had to have help, considering the path he took to our enemies. He probably would have given the information to the Taliban if he wasn’t scared they might kill him just for the heck of it using religious grounds as a reason.
His visit to Moscow is especially troubling. Vladimir Putin at this point is the only leader in the world that actually acts like one. Obama certainly doesn’t; he’s too busy bowing and scraping to every other leader in the world. Putin is taking full advantage of our latest intelligence fiasco; whether or not his government had a hand in the operation still remains to be seen.
However, in his quest to bring back a better, more powerful Soviet Union, he will take all he can get from any Y Generationer who is more interested in himself and not the larger picture. By taking in Snowden, Putin is telling us that he is smarter than we are, more powerful and our days as a superpower are limited.
Vladimir Putin was affected deeply by the break-up of the Soviet Union. It was the United States who brought his country to its knees and it has eaten at him. He’s the type of man that holds a grudge. His work in the KGB and then as head of the same under the new name: Federal Security Service (FSB) demonstrates that this man is devoted to the Marxist/Russian Communist theology.
His mission to widen the influence of Russia throughout the world is in full force. There are new oil and gas supply agreements with countries throughout Europe, and supplying Japan with gas from Sakhalin Island. New military cooperation agreements with not only old Soviet republics and the Mid-East but widening into South America and Central America put us into a secondary player role. These military cooperation agreements include not just weapons, aircraft and naval vessels, but in some cases, Russian military personnel.
This man is no fool. He is cold and calculating. By allowing Snowden into Russia, he is not only getting his hands on some very important intelligence information, he will use whatever he can to bring us to our knees, not only in our national security, but anyway he can. He is thumbing his nose at us and enjoying every minute of it. Snowden may be welcomed right now, but when he can no longer give continued valuable information, he’ll be discarded.
But by that time, the damage is done to our country.
This country must get serious about its national security. We must stop using our defense department and military as a venue for implementing social policy. Security clearances must be tightened, investigations of candidates for clearances must be more thorough. There must be concerted effort throughout DOD as a whole; not just NSA.
Of course, you also must have an administration that is serious about our national security.
And the Snowden affair is what you get when you don’t have one.
Secrecy is always secrecy.
“Tsarnev and Hassan are getting fair trails.”
Terrorists who made their jihadi ideas widely known internationally and digitally. Neither was stopped by the intelligence and law enforcement community. (despite hit shows like “24” and “Homeland”)
Neither could be confronted because our highest values are not offending muslims and championing sodomy.
If they will not confront jihadis here, why should I be willing to submit to constant surveillance by the Stasi?
So why do you buy this Snowden story that they are targeting you and Aunt Mabel? Something stinks about this guy.
Ahh... now you are getting close. It aint the gun, its the fellow behind the gun.
Using domestic surveillance to suppress political opposition is not “just politics”. That pure 100% despotism. That’s using the tools of government to remain in power, NOT by advancing policies, but by blackmailing opponents.
That’s utterly disgusting.
If a campaign finds out the opponent is cheating on his wife, that’s fair game. But if a president uses the FBI to ferret out and expose the same information on his opponent, that’s criminal and that president should probably be imprisoned.
And....
It belongs at the feet of Barack Obama.
Snowden is either a moron or he is complicit.
Oh, it is indeed the gun. I do not buy this “man behind the gun” argument. That proposes that the NSA is normally fine and protecting America, and that Only Obama has violated our trust.
I do not care for my neighbor laying a .50 cal machine gun directly towards my front door and then telling me to trust him. I want to know why the gun is aimed my way in the first place.
“ In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson.
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”
Patrick Henry
As I have said.
“It’s Complicated”
No dice. This is not an Obama problem. This problem was here before him and will remain after him.
If it was an Obama problem, then why did the house GOP vote last week to let him keep doing it? Why have Bush and Cheney both come out on Obamas side?
And Bush and Rumsfeld appointed Alexander to head the NSA. And this Bush appointee lied to congress about domestic spying until Snowden outed him.
No, as fun as it is, this is not solved by blaming Obama.
You look over your neighbors all the time.
When you draw a gun on him without cause we have an issue.
“It’s Complicated”
And as I have said, the lies of the despot usually are. And that’s what you tell a slave or a child, not to your master or to your boss.
Anyone employing that rhetorical evasion identifies their true cynical attitude towards the concept of the Constitutional republic. One cannot possibly hold that the people are supreme, and yet, may not be entrusted with the information to decide what is best for them.
I think it would be politically expedient the make the Commander in Chief actually have to take responsibility, don’t You?
Sure beats beating at the foundations of Gov.
Believe it or not, some people use power fairly.
There are King Solomon’s in this world.
“When you draw a gun on him without cause we have an issue”
And the government draws it’s metaphorical gun by aiming the apparatus of the intelligence services inwards, directly at me. The scope and scale is without precedent in US history.
And THAT is what has created the issue.
And I do not believe for a moment that it is for my protection, or the numerous government policies, flooding the nation with moslems and foreigners, and arming our enemies would not exist.
You cannot do those things, yet demand that I be willing to sacrifice my 4th amendment to make it all better.
That is not happening, That is what you do not understand, and to that effect that it is not NSA workers. It is Obama Make it Stick!
Go believe in kings all you want. Trust them to know whats best for you. I cannot imagine anyone would lift up a king after “Common Sense” was published.
But no, I do not think this is simply a fine tool for beating Obama and then forgetting.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Boehner, etc are all just as guilty. This is a GOP problem as much as it is an Obama one.
Why does simply -following the constitution- as clearly written seem so difficult for you?
It has been perfectly adequate for 200 years. WWII, the cold war, etc. And now, we must abandon it because of some rag tag islamists?
Do you have so little faith in it, that you cannot imagine how a constitution following republic cannot defend itself from this farce of a threat?
Perhaps not you, but the public in general.
Why are they shocked?
Why would Alice Kravitz be shocked that someone is watching her?
Morons can also be complicit.
Gnight my FRiend
Rather flavorful descriptions wouldn’t you say...lol..
my gosh the thread has grown!
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