Posted on 07/29/2013 7:22:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
The traitor to our country and NSA, Edward Snowden, is now making the rounds of the major Communist countries; China and Russia, with either Ecuador or Venezuela or possible Cuba being a final destination. Who knows, it may be someplace no one ever thought about.
For all of you who labeled him a hero, I must excuse your ignorance on national security issues. If you haven’t worked in the intelligence community, you have no idea the damage that this sniveling coward has done to the intelligence community’s efforts and endangered your life and those of your loved ones.. When both the Russian and Chinese governments are sheltering him, he must have a mother lode of information.
When he initially left the United States, his exodus to Hong Kong was labeled by those sympathetic to him as a hero fleeing possible torment by this government. But, why to Hong Kong, controlled by the Chinese? If he had indeed been a true NSA whistleblower, such as Bill Binnie, Russ Tice or Tom Drake..(they’re racking up, aren’t they?)….he would still be in the US. While I don’t condone the actions of the three named, I have to give them their due for not running away.
While in Hong Kong, no doubt visited and interrogated by Chinese intelligence, he is now as of this writing, in Moscow, where he will be similarly interrogated. These are not the actions of a whistleblower, but of one who is not only sympathetic to Communist countries but may well be working for an organization who is friendly to one or both of these countries. Whatever the real reason is for his defection, the United States doesn’t fare well under any circumstance.
The damage to our intelligence community and national security is immeasurable. The only thing we have gleaned from this is our security policy is lacking: miserably. Unfortunately, we’ll be paying a heavy price.
Our defense department and intelligence community, thanks to the efforts of the Obama administration are already weakened. Thanks to the politically correct programs enacted: women in combat, revocation of ’don’t ask, don’t tell’ , attacks on religious freedom, restrictions on engaging the enemy in combat, and so on..we’re on very shaky ground.
Snowden was obviously working with someone else; he had to have help, considering the path he took to our enemies. He probably would have given the information to the Taliban if he wasn’t scared they might kill him just for the heck of it using religious grounds as a reason.
His visit to Moscow is especially troubling. Vladimir Putin at this point is the only leader in the world that actually acts like one. Obama certainly doesn’t; he’s too busy bowing and scraping to every other leader in the world. Putin is taking full advantage of our latest intelligence fiasco; whether or not his government had a hand in the operation still remains to be seen.
However, in his quest to bring back a better, more powerful Soviet Union, he will take all he can get from any Y Generationer who is more interested in himself and not the larger picture. By taking in Snowden, Putin is telling us that he is smarter than we are, more powerful and our days as a superpower are limited.
Vladimir Putin was affected deeply by the break-up of the Soviet Union. It was the United States who brought his country to its knees and it has eaten at him. He’s the type of man that holds a grudge. His work in the KGB and then as head of the same under the new name: Federal Security Service (FSB) demonstrates that this man is devoted to the Marxist/Russian Communist theology.
His mission to widen the influence of Russia throughout the world is in full force. There are new oil and gas supply agreements with countries throughout Europe, and supplying Japan with gas from Sakhalin Island. New military cooperation agreements with not only old Soviet republics and the Mid-East but widening into South America and Central America put us into a secondary player role. These military cooperation agreements include not just weapons, aircraft and naval vessels, but in some cases, Russian military personnel.
This man is no fool. He is cold and calculating. By allowing Snowden into Russia, he is not only getting his hands on some very important intelligence information, he will use whatever he can to bring us to our knees, not only in our national security, but anyway he can. He is thumbing his nose at us and enjoying every minute of it. Snowden may be welcomed right now, but when he can no longer give continued valuable information, he’ll be discarded.
But by that time, the damage is done to our country.
This country must get serious about its national security. We must stop using our defense department and military as a venue for implementing social policy. Security clearances must be tightened, investigations of candidates for clearances must be more thorough. There must be concerted effort throughout DOD as a whole; not just NSA.
Of course, you also must have an administration that is serious about our national security.
And the Snowden affair is what you get when you don’t have one.
“I understand, and we have systems in place to stop abuse.”
And are these systems run by the people who run the surveillance system? Interesting level of trust in the government who brings you homo marriage, Obamacare, fast and furious arming the cartels, 12 years of continuous war where we are not allowed to conquer the enemy. (Our participation in WWII was a bit over 3 1/2 years.) Open borders. Our government filled with islamists. TEA being continually cast as racist and violent despite the exact opposite being true, etc etc.
This is the government who you trust to run the “system in place to stop abuse?”
And for the record, I am against a lot of the stuff people here want to defend as far as monitoring goes.
But people are actually willing to PAY to be monitored.
We want to monitor our kids so we PAY some jackass to use the GPS in their phone and tell us were they are.
You PAY for that stuff and are shocked that they are monitoring you with the same technology.
Did Anthony Wiener really think he would not be caught?
He was waggling his dick around on the internet street corner at young girls.
Here is where he got in trouble, he was actively being a predator, and its all on tape.
Heck he filmed it himself.
We have a problem.
Currently the Gov is stacked from top to bottom with Obamas people.
Jeebus, look at Holder and the “I will not prosecute MY PEOPLE BS”
Look at The Trayvon Martin BS.
People with no respect for the constitution.
People using the full weight of the GOV to prosecute political opponents.
People that use the system against the people.
We are just pissed off that our Ox is being gored.
“Some of the CIA & NSA are. The part controlled by Obozo is in question.”
But how do we know which is which? Or do you suggest the people should simply trust the intelligence community and abdicate their right to run this nation?
If they want our deep trust, they should be deeply and clearly demonstrably averse to violating that trust.
A “Caesars wife must be above reproach” kind of thing.
Booz Allen Hamilton, the company that employed Snowden, is already doing NSA’s dirty work and analyzing terabytes of data for trends and patterns, using G-d only knows what software, what company’s databases, I’d guess SQL code, and they are hiring engineers, paying them very well, and not outsourcing those jobs to Bangalore! (Hurray for American patriots!) With today’s hardware technology it’s a piece of cake to analyze huge amounts of data, isolating talk of boo and poo, and spitting out names and addresses of “alleged” suspects and “persons of interest”, you and me potentially. That is the cute little system that Edward Snowden betrayed. Obama’s legacy on top of Obamacare and Government Motors. Ain’t ya proud Snowden’s accusers?
“As I said, “It’s Complicated”.”
The lies of the despotic usually are. That line is worn out and threadbare. Translated it means, “we know whats best for you, don’t question us too much because we know the truth. And of course, this truth is so secret that we just cannot explain it. So you must trust us”.
That’s what you say to a child or a slave you lord over, not to a master, or to your boss.
And that is exactly what they are doing.
Everyone here is on the radar.
Is there anyone dragging anyone off into the night like the Stasi?
Heck I discriminate peoples words and actions.
Don't you?
So Gov secrets are to be laid out bare in the public paper?
I have no inside knowledge, I am only extrapolating.
“Kinda like the surveillance can at 711 or the ATM.”
The 4th amendment was not meant to protect us from unreasonable searches from the 711 or the ATM. Those are voluntary associations we make, and they cannot take our freedom.
Government is different. And they cannot poo poo off their criminal domestic spying by comparing it to the surveillance cam at the 711 or the ATM. Collecting all a persons private papers and effects without a warrant is blatantly unconstitutional.
Below is a quote from Cicero some 2000 plus years ago. He did understand power, corruption and betrayal:
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
Watch this film, “it’s complicated”
Young Dantes get’s screwed by the state.
I understand you.
Treachery is as old as mankind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRy5SEXUgtA
All I am saying is watch the watchers, but be tempered in your judgement.
It’s complicated.
Paying? Those private things are utterly unrelated to the DOD NSA domestic spying operations. Weiner sent a naked pic to some chick who publicized it. What does that have to do with the NSA spying on US citizens?
And yes, I do indeed expect that the government is not somehow be allowed to use every technology it can find against the citizenry.
No STASI methods are required, we’ve got our uncorrupted judicial system and judges concerned about Constitutional rights of alleged persons of interest. But yes, I watch myself, and not just now, but since a long time ago when a CIA “secretary” (that’s what she said she was) befriended me for no reason at all, and later I watched black sedans parked not far from my house, but, heck maybe they were watching somebody else, and nothing came out of it anyway, only some persistent letters from the IRS.
Still, I’d like to know whose software Booz Allen is using, it’s hard to believe they’d write their own database or data warehousing systems, even if they write their own queries and applications. As this affair started, I went to the web pages of major database manufacturers looking for the lists of their clients that such companies like to brag of, but I found no mention of Booz, and it’s entirely possible that it was removed once the affair became public.
“We have a problem.
Currently the Gov is stacked from top to bottom with Obamas people.”
No dice. Bush and his NSA did the same thing. And the same people are in charge. The leadership of Booz, NSA, CIA, etc etc. Same old crowd, doing the same old thing.
Bush and Cheney came out in the last few weeks supporting Obamas NSA programs.
They set precedent.
“So Gov secrets are to be laid out bare in the public paper?”
So the government should be able to hide whatever it deems from the people? It’s always in the name of security, isn’t it?
We would be better served by a strong military, and honest open government. We are way past the hiding of D-Day plans and such. We now have secret bodies of law, administered by secret courts. Most secrecy is meant to conceal things they know the public would not approve of.
“Is there anyone dragging anyone off into the night like the Stasi?”
Not until you become a threat politically. Say organize a TEA party that suddenly shows promise. Or until you are a congressman who won’t be co-opted and vote the way they wish, etc etc. For extra fun, wait till you need an expensive medical treatment (and the government knows every word you say)
They have no need to drag anyone off. It’s enough that they can assassinate your reputation.
You and Aunt Mabel are not being whisked away in the middle of the night.
Tsarnev and Hassan are getting fair trails.
What stinks with Obama is how Hassan, Tsarnev and Snowden are being handled with kid gloves while Zimmerman is getting heat from the top.
Zimmerman is as close as we have seen to Gov abuse, and we are going to snap that off in Obamas ***.
The MSM still persists but Obies gone quite.
He knows this goes to the top.
That is just politics.
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