Posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Little known is it that FDR is not the first president to have relocation camps, and Japanese Americans were not the original target. Nearly 30 years prior to World War two, German Americans were the targets and the most interesting thing is that very little is written about this. History has been virtually expunged of this topic. Historians do not write about it, so history books don't contain it, and even from various news journals at the time it was largely unreported. When it was reported, some of the blurbs on it were small and not noteworthy.
The first American President to have internment camps got away with it.
I could only find a handful such articles about the incident, one of which details the treatment of war captives. "How the United States Takes Care of German Prisoners (June, 1918)" The other stories I found are often times reported in passing, they detail the harassment of citizens, business owners, and others who clearly don't exist in a war or battle context.
One such citizen was Agathe Wilhelmine Richrath who:
MISS AGATHE WlLHELMINE RICHRATH, instructor in German at Vassar College, who has been taken into custody at Poughkeepsie on a charge of being pro-German and of circulating German propaganda, has tendered her resignation and it has been accepted. Miss Richrath will be interned as an alien enemy.
The paragraph above the one I quoted lists Dr.s Richard Goldschmidt and Rhoda Erdmann were both detained and interned as well.
Richrath's internment did actually get reported in the NY Times, along with the names of several other people in passing.
Finally, quite a scene was created when the government went after Heinrich Bockisch:
STATUS OF M. WELTE & SONS DEFINEDOfficial Statement Issued by Bureau of Investigation of the Alien Property Custodian
E. M. Atkin of the Bureau of Investigation, Alien Property Custodian, New York, issued the following statement on Tuesday last relative to M. Welte & Sons:
"Heinrich Bockisch, the factory manager and a large stockholder in M. Welte & Sons, Inc., was taken into custody by the United States Government on April 22, 1918, on charges of German propaganda. He was ordered interned and was removed July 2 to Fort Oglethorpe, with 17 other alien enemies.
The story talks about a fight on the street and more.
These are all names which are lost to history at this point, but what I'm getting at is that Woodrow Wilson's concentration camps were real. The government did not just intern foreigners(which is bad enough) but they also went after those who emigrated to our country, set up businesses, were attempting to be productive members of society, may have planned on staying, and some who were even full time citizens. One of the most "well known"(His name is specifically listed on Wikipedia) internees was Dr. Karl Muck, who once he was released from his year of detainment, left the country.
I suggest that you too might profit from a reading of the book mentioned in post 94. It is sure to enlighten one about the frequently criminal nature of local Confederate government.
And since Lincoln was neither a Joachiamites, Adamites, or a member of the Brethren of the Free Spirit, or a Taborites, or an Anabaptists, or a Digger, or a Ranters, then you are once again wrong.
Lincoln also died before Mao, so again, Lincoln was not and could not have been a Communist.
Wow is there a readers digest version?
Well you and mao would be wrong.
The Austrian Painter was connected through his history of homosexual practices to German commanders. That was how he was so close to Ludendorf at the Munich revolt that got him jailed.
By contrast, the slave power maintained concentration camps for slaves before and during the war. They were called “plantations” and female slaves were routinely raped in them.
You are a funny guy. You just decided he didn't read it because he was too busy? And you know this how? Lincoln only served one term in Congress (during which he voted against closing the slave market in Washington).
Marx wrote Das Kapital in 1867. Certainly Lincoln never had access to the views of class struggle and criticism of the economics of capitalism promulgated there.
You should not comment on things you haven't read. The Communist Manifesto is all about class struggle and the economics of Capitalism. And Marx didn't invent the notion of class struggle anyway. Class struggle was virtually a cliche in political philosophy at that time. For a pre-Marx look at class struggle try looking up Adolphe Blanqui, Destutt de Tracy, Augustin Thierry, Auguste Comte, and Charles Dunoyer.
Lincoln corresponded with Marx on at least one occasion. Marx was writing editorials for the New York Post during Lincoln's tenure in office and supported the North, but poured derision on the notion that the war was about slavery. Marx said the war "turns mainly on the Northern lust for sovereignty."
Lincoln almost certainly would have read the Communist Manifesto. It was a sensation in it's day. Lincoln once argued in favor of protective tariff by clamming that freight charges are "lost labor", invoking the Marxian concept of valuation. It was fashionable at the time.
BTW, the Communist Manifesto isn't a book.
Your argument is essentially that since Lincoln used the word “the” and Marx used the word “the” when speaking English, that Lincoln must have been a Communist.
Lincoln’s stated idea was that as a poor man you had to work, but if you worked and saved your money, that you could eventually work for yourself, and after that hire another to work alongside you, and eventually for.
That was rather different from the idea of Communism, that one should work for the community. Lincoln was opposed to slavery in part because of the horrific methods used by the slave power, and in part because it prevented natural progress among the people who were forced to be slaves.
lost labor was ricardian.
Where did I say anything of the kind.
Marx was a Ricardian. And the Labor Theory of Value was central to his economic thought.
But even in this book dedicated to unionist heroism, one can perceive a separation between those honest hearts who risked their lives on the battlefield for the Confederacy and the loathsome rebel elements who stayed at home to oppress and profit.
Communist Manifesto is indeed a book. Just not a very long one.
Again, Lincoln was dead before Das Kapital was written. Lincoln never advocated the bad ideas in earlier works such as Communist Manifesto, and never cited it as the source of any of his ideas.
Lincoln was indeed opposed to slavery, and helped establish the Republican Party after the Dred Scott decision essentially ended the Whig party. Prior to that, Lincoln had been a Whig.
Glad you agree that one can refer to the labor theory of value without being a communist.
Perhaps there is hope for you.
“You apparently missed reading about the German Bundts both in WWI and WWII.”
MMMMmmm CAKE!
You mean “Bund” not “Bundt” More specificaly the “German-American Bund”
LOL
Karl Marx wrote articles on the American Civil War for Abolitionist ex-Whig and Republican Party co-founder Horace Greeley’s New York Daily Tribune, and had contributed many articles there for a number of years prior to the war.
Stupid fingers don’t know how to spell....they only understand cookies and cake....;)
And you claim that was intentional? Or was it more a testament to the fort and a statement on the miserable quality of the rebel marksmanship?
But the "attack" on Fort Sumter was just an affair of honor.
And your 'affair of honor' started a war that killed hundreds of thousands and devastated the South. Hope it was worth it.
And you accuse the Northerners of saying things without backing them up?
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