Posted on 07/12/2013 7:27:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Little known is it that FDR is not the first president to have relocation camps, and Japanese Americans were not the original target. Nearly 30 years prior to World War two, German Americans were the targets and the most interesting thing is that very little is written about this. History has been virtually expunged of this topic. Historians do not write about it, so history books don't contain it, and even from various news journals at the time it was largely unreported. When it was reported, some of the blurbs on it were small and not noteworthy.
The first American President to have internment camps got away with it.
I could only find a handful such articles about the incident, one of which details the treatment of war captives. "How the United States Takes Care of German Prisoners (June, 1918)" The other stories I found are often times reported in passing, they detail the harassment of citizens, business owners, and others who clearly don't exist in a war or battle context.
One such citizen was Agathe Wilhelmine Richrath who:
MISS AGATHE WlLHELMINE RICHRATH, instructor in German at Vassar College, who has been taken into custody at Poughkeepsie on a charge of being pro-German and of circulating German propaganda, has tendered her resignation and it has been accepted. Miss Richrath will be interned as an alien enemy.
The paragraph above the one I quoted lists Dr.s Richard Goldschmidt and Rhoda Erdmann were both detained and interned as well.
Richrath's internment did actually get reported in the NY Times, along with the names of several other people in passing.
Finally, quite a scene was created when the government went after Heinrich Bockisch:
STATUS OF M. WELTE & SONS DEFINEDOfficial Statement Issued by Bureau of Investigation of the Alien Property Custodian
E. M. Atkin of the Bureau of Investigation, Alien Property Custodian, New York, issued the following statement on Tuesday last relative to M. Welte & Sons:
"Heinrich Bockisch, the factory manager and a large stockholder in M. Welte & Sons, Inc., was taken into custody by the United States Government on April 22, 1918, on charges of German propaganda. He was ordered interned and was removed July 2 to Fort Oglethorpe, with 17 other alien enemies.
The story talks about a fight on the street and more.
These are all names which are lost to history at this point, but what I'm getting at is that Woodrow Wilson's concentration camps were real. The government did not just intern foreigners(which is bad enough) but they also went after those who emigrated to our country, set up businesses, were attempting to be productive members of society, may have planned on staying, and some who were even full time citizens. One of the most "well known"(His name is specifically listed on Wikipedia) internees was Dr. Karl Muck, who once he was released from his year of detainment, left the country.
Yet for some reason you failed to mention any.
Preposterous. Are you saying Lenin and Marx were over two thousand years old?
They weren’t “being removed” they were being STOLEN.
Ok, post the reference link to this bat sh!t crazy idea.
Why would that make any difference after SC seceded. The US had no jurisdiction after that. And even if you wanted to argue ownership based on some notion of private property rights - a real stretch since the US Government isn't a private entity - you'd still have to yield to SC's right of eminent domain.
You realize the arguments you're making to try to justify Lincoln holding on to that fort are the same arguments the British made when they failed to turn over their forts in the upper mid west after the War of Independence. "We paid for them". "We built them". Etc.
Marx wrote Das Kapital in 1867. Certainly Lincoln never had access to the views of class struggle and criticism of the economics of capitalism promulgated there.
The Communist Manifesto of 1848 was an odd book pretending scientific study of history, yet with no science: rather than experiments that could prove the hypothesis incorrect, it pushed dialectic, wherein experiments were either not possible or not necessary.
At that time, Lincoln was busy, either in Congress or practicing law.
I recommend you look up “Logical Fallicies” in particular, ‘begging the question’. After that you will be in a position to appreciate the legal case “Texas v. White” which held that the pretended succession of South Carolina was a nullity.
If you care to look at Article 3 of the constitution, you will find that even if the status of Ft Sumter was at issue, that in the Constitution, such controveries are to be resolved by law, with the supreme court as original jurisdiction.
But SC knew they had no case, and so never filed to have their controversy so resolved. So they started shooting, and lost the shooting war too.
Are you saying that's really how you read what I wrote?
FYI: Marx did not invent Communism. Communism, or I should say Western Communism, began as a Christian heresy in ancient times. It kept reemerging in Christian heretical movements right up until the French Revolution. After the French Revolution secularized versions of it began to appear. Marx's version was one of many and ultimately became dominant.
Look up the Joachiamites, the Adamites, the Brethren of the Free Spirit, the Taborites, the Anabaptists, The Diggers, and the Ranters. Just to name a few.
Indeed, the concepts are old but they keep recurring.
The Brits did have jurisdiction until they lost the war, and there lies the difference; the Brits lost, the Union won.
It's good that you mention begging the question since that is exactly what you are doing when you invoke Texas v. White, or for that matter any US Constitutional provision, in the context of Fort Sumter. South Carolina seceded. That means they were no longer under the jurisdiction of the US Constitution of the US Supreme Court. Since when do foreign countries have to apply to an American court for a matter that is entirely within their own jurisdiction?
It was an illegal secession and ownership was, at best, a matter of dispute. Anderson surrendered to overwhelming force, not superior claim. But overwhelming force AND superior claim is what brought Sumter back into the union.
I was being facetious (shhh, don’t tell the haters, they may actually use it in the future ;-})
Big “C” Communism was devised by Lenin and Marx. Anything else may look similar but is not the same.
Actually, it was the Union that maintained a series of concentration camps for escaped slaves during the war. They were called “contraband camps”. Escapes negro slaves (from seceded sates only) were put there and forced to work for the Union Army. Many slaves died of neglect and disease in those camps. The camp system was the brain child of Benjamin Butler, the “Beast of New Orleans”.
Not true. Either sentence or your feeeelings as to their validity or relevance.
Well Mao might have something to say about that.
The Progressive Movement began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work.
Since Lincoln didn’t make it to the late 19th Century, he couldn’t have been a Progressive.
The logical fallacy of begging the question is what you did when you presumed that, contrary to Article 3 of the constitution, South Carolina would not have to resolve controversies at the Supreme Court, but rather could resolve them by chutspah, bombast, and shelling US Army soldiers performing their duty.
After the war, Texas v. White considered a controversy brought about by the pretended succession, and legally determined that such pretended succession was a legal nullity.
Of course I don’t expect honesty from you. After all you are an apologist for the slave power, and its many crimes and injustices. Shame on you.
Foreign countries acceed to the SCOTUS as the means to resolving disputes when they agree to, as SC agreed to when they agreed to accept the US constitution.
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