Posted on 07/09/2013 7:29:50 PM PDT by marktwain
Opencarry.org has some decent discussion on the new concealed carry law in Illinois.
Here is a link to a PDF file of the new law. 168 double spaced typed pages
Full text of the Illinois Firearms Concealed Carry Act (HB183)
Here are some well thought out remarks from kurt555gs on the Illinois forum on opencarry.org:
HB183 is now law! The legislature has over ridden the ( irrelevant ) governor's veto.
The Concealed carry portion of the law is horrid. Written by the Chicago anti civil rights bunch and full of delays and traps and criminal penalties to Illinois License to Carry holders. In fact, it will be a year before the first license is issued. I'll leave my discussion of that horrid discriminatory part of the bill for later.
What else is in the bill? Well, state wide pre-emption and the revocation of ALL local ordinances concerning "handguns". Gone are magazine limits, and unconstitutional "transport" restrictions from dozens of Home Rule Communities. No more Chicago transport laws about "broken down" or "ammunition" separate. One law state wide. It's Fanny Pack Day! All you need is a FOID card or be a non resident.
Speaking of non residents, they as of right now get to carry a loaded handgun in a car. Not Illinois residents though, not even with a non resident permit. This law was very careful to discriminate against us Illinois folks. However, if you have a concealed carry permit from ANY state, OR if you are either 18 or 21 without any permit or background check or anything from the following states:
AK,WA,OR,CA,ID,NV,AZ,NM,WY,CO,SD,NE,KS,MO,WI,MI,KY ,LA,AL,MS,OH,WV,PA,DE,NH,ME,VA,NC, or VT.
Then, you can drive or ride around Chicago or anywhere in the state with your loded Glock and 30 round magazine AND you don't have to inform the cops when you are stopped.
No Illinois residents though. It's for the children.
What is left for Illinois residents, today, right now, is commonly referred to as "Container Transport" or "Fanny Pack Carry". It means having a FOID card (Illinois residents only) and transporting your firearm "Unloaded and enclosed in a case". Ammo is not regulated and you can have loaded magazines or speed loaders in the same case or in your pocket, or in an ammo pouch on your belt. Everywhere in Illinois! Also, there are different prohibited places for "Transport" than for concealed carry ; license holders. Places prohibited like public transportation or neighborhood festvals for concealed carry are perfectly fine to "Container Transport". Research these yourself.
So, a bad concealed carry laws passes, but a great Container Transport one does at the same time.
No it won't. Find a licensed UTAH firearms trainer and get a Conceal/Carry permit from Utah in as short as 6 weeks.
It won't cost you $150 to exercise your Second Amendment Rights by registering in IL, and the Utah permit is VALID in IL immediately with the passing of the law.
Some may think the Illinois Legislature finally "got smart" in over-riding Quinn, the fact is the entire bill was nothing more than a big MONEY GRAB requiring each Conceal/Carry applicant to pay $150 to receive their permit.
Personally I hope this one gets appealed to the USSC and smacked down so we have CONSTITUTIONAL Carry w/o these asshole politicians in Illinois CHARGING US to exercise our Second Amendment Rights!
What's next, we all have to pay a fee to not have our homes illegally searched by the police?!
Yeah, I can really envision fumbling through a fanny pack when a gang is trying to jack you.
Americans should have the right to keep and bear arms and that means to bear one as a side arm, period.
I do not think the law allows for reciprocity for concealed carry permits.
That would be great if it did, but I think it only applies to carry within vehicles as noted in the article.
I would love to learn differently.
Do you know what part of law recognizes any other state permits?
What's next, we all have to pay a fee to not have our homes illegally searched by the police?!
Knowing Illinois, it'll be a triple-tiered system:
1.) No charge: no privacy.
2.) $150 per year: only light searches permitted unless the law enforcement agency feels it has special reason to invade and tear up your house.
3.) No charge, providing you're a lawyer or government employee: no searches permitted without a court order.
Utah? they already have reciprocity agreements?
There are packs made for it. You can basically draw as fast as if you were carrying under a shirt or sport coat. Of course the problem is that fanny pack carry might as well be open carry, considering how few men wear one without a gun inside. Nobody wears them anymore, unless they’re packing. I have one I wear while hiking. I say it’s so any progs I meet don’t soil themselves, but really the straps and hip belt on my pack interfere with other modes of carry.
Search coronadoleather out of San Diego I’ve bought from them, very satisfied.
Is it “shall issue” or “may issue?”
shall issue
sometimes one needs to adapt their carry style and their lifestyle to their environment and their carry laws. You typically have to go to war with the carry laws you have, not the carry laws you want. until you can change the laws that is.
swords were also worn in a scabbard, ready to be used. they didn’t have to carry the around in pieces, assembling them like a cue stick when a thug threatened them with theirs.
Edged weapons are arms protected by the Second Amendment:
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/06/a-second-front-on-second-amendment.html
i know.
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