Posted on 07/07/2013 4:29:25 PM PDT by Kolath
There has been a great deal of discussion over the last week concerning the remarks made by Governor Palin in answer to a question from Josh Painter, regarding the possibility of a new party to supplant the GOP. As Steve Deace covers in his own cost/benefit analysis of the idea, there are a few practical considerations to leaving the Republican Party that make for a gargantuan series of problems, including effectively surrendering the whole governance of the country to the Democrats in the short run. As Deace also explains quite effectively, if we don’t change the direction of the country, it won’t matter much because with the current supine and tepid leadership of the GOP, we have arrived already in that effective condition. What opposition to the Obama agenda do conservatives see from the GOP? There has been little evident among establishment Republicans, often behaving more like collaborators than opponents. This conflict has been a long time in coming, but I believe we must face it squarely or surrender to statism. If we are going to conquer our political foes, we must clean up our own house, refusing to abandon it to the slumlords of the GOP establishment. For once, let us do the unexpected, turning tables on them: We must build a party within the Party as the means by which to take it over, but this time, for keeps.
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Someone needs to ask Paul Ryan is he is part of the solution (GOP w/o the e, or the Sarah Party) or if his isn’t really part of the problem (GOPe).
Michigan put a tea party supported committeeman on the RNC which is a good place to start. Lots of tea partiers have also taken county offices.
As John Lennon sang, “Imagine...”
How about, “Imagine NO political parties, just people running for office on their own merits” ?
It’s safer to be a hoodlum in a gang.
A third party could form without nominating a candidate. They could just siphon off members from the Republican Party and then threaten to nominate their own candidate if and only if the Republicans nominate a RINO.
In this way a third party could encourage the Republicans to move right without giving the country over to the Democrats.
Of course, in reality creating a new political party requires a lot of commitment. The kind of commitment that can only be expected from an egomaniacal blowhard (e.g. Ross Perot) out for his own self-interest.
So theoretically we could have a third party that could cause the Republicans to wise up without sending the country even more liberal, but in reality, as soon as something solid forms the scum will rise to the top to try and take the reins, not for the sake of the country, but instead for the massaging of their egos and the hopes of future speech circuit revenues.
A question for you guys. If you ran an efficient 3rd party and they actually won quite a number of seats could that party then form government with the GOP using their voting power as leverage to gain conservative outcomes. If in doing so do they retain the right to dissolve the partnership should the GOP not be on task.
From the point of view of an outsider if there are enough disaffected GOP voters this might be feasible.
Mel
Take a look at things from 1852 to 60.
You know, all I want is someone who believes in the Constitution as the Founding Fathers intended it to be. Is there anyone like that anymore, other than FReepers, of course?
I’ve had a bellyful of the GOP.
Other than Ted Cruz, they don’t have va Conservative in the party.
Screw them.,
As to the article, I'm convinced there are many Democrat votes available that may not be there if we're offering a better stripe of Republican. Besides, the dog and pony show the GOP put on in 2012 should be exactly what our candidate avoids.
A third party demanded to be included by the public in later debates would be better than running the GOP candidate assassination gambit. No I think name and the brand have been tarnished beyond repair. Like I've said before, drop all the social issues we all know are political hot potatoes that government shouldn't be involved in anyway.
Run on Washington DC is broken. Not I'm the only thing left after the right...
can’t surrender to the demtards - we’d never get it back, it would truly require revolution to get them out.
Don’t leave the GOP take it over. We are past due to do so. Just look at History. They are dealing with the Dem’s on a consensus basis and ignoring their own people. What happens when they do that? Take a look at history. 32 years after the George Washington was elected President. After a period of “good feelings”during the Monroe administration we had a revolution. This was a a time when we had a consensus by politicians in the upper and respectable classes. They left out the people and we had the Jacksonian revolt and the old order fell. The Jacksonian gave way to the slavocracy and the whigs tried to compromise with them (Missouri compromise) and we had another revolution the Republican party was founded and the Whigs went out of business and the slavocracy went into the dust bin of history. We had high adventure and reform with the Lincoln wing of the GOP but soon the corporate interests took over both parties and they ran things by compromise and consensus and ignored the people.
After 36 years all hell broke lose and the Dems were taken over by populists of the William Jennings Bryan stripe. The progressives of Teddy Roosevelt, Lafollete, Borah, Hiram Johnson and so forth took over the Republican party and we again found the people empowered. Then the corporate interests took over the GOP and the Wall street interests the Dem’s. Suddenly we had another eruption the Dem party was taken over by the Catholic bosses who ran unions and the big city machines. When the chips were down the Repubs were taken over by the Eastern wing Dewy, Rockefeller, Eisenhower etc simply because there was no one left. The eastern establishment ran the party and by the time of Kennedy and Nixon we found the parties running things again without listening to their people. After 32 years we found the Goldwater revolt and the eastern establishment was taken over by a sunbelt coalition. The Dem Catholic bosses fell later with the McGovern rules and liberal gentry types took over that party. Now 40 years later we see the liberal Gentry wing being taken over by the radicals and Marxists children and daughters of the liberal gentry types. And what do we see? We see feckless Republican country clubbers complicit in trying to get consensus type compromises with them that are completely against their interests, philosophy and will. What will happen? Just look back over 200 years of history and you will see what will happen. Don’t leave now stick around and it will be getting better. All of this complaining is a part of the process, but don’t leave.
Continuing with the Republican Party is surrender of governance to effective socialists in the short and the long runs. A Conservative Party from the actually conservative elements of the Repubnlican Party might eliminate Republicans and conservatives from effective contention for an election cycle and we may not even have a whole cycle left but there is more chance for conservatives in the longer run OUTSIDE of the Republican Party. There is NO chance for conservatives in the GOP and Republicans as Republicans make it inconsequential who wins elections. Socialism wins. Totalism wins. Tyranny wins. n the short and long terms. Republcicans can only make a difference in the Us vs. Them sense, the Who? Whom? of Lenin. It doesn’t matter whether “our” totalists win or if “their” totalists win except as to which crew runs the Purges and the camps.
Can I take from that comment that it was far more the norm in the past - as an Aussie I didn’t know.
Cheers
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