Posted on 06/22/2013 3:33:22 PM PDT by jazusamo
Thanks to Republican Senators Rand Paul (of Kentucky) and Mike Lee (of Utah), we might finally get on Syria what we were denied on Libya: a real debate among the American peoples representatives over congressional authorization of President Obamas unilateral war-making in the Middle East.
The Washington Examiner reports that Senators Paul and Lee have joined with two counterparts, Democrats Chris Murphy (of Connecticut) and Tom Udall (of New Mexico), in offering legislation that would block direct or indirect aid for military or paramilitary operations in Syria. The bill, which is posted on Pauls website, is called the Protecting Americans from the Proliferation of Weapons to Terrorists Act of 2013.
The proposal would not affect or prohibit humanitarian aid, but it forthrightly addresses the issue Syria intervention supporters willfully ignore: the factions President Obama is abetting egged on by the GOPs McCain wing and their fellow transnational progressives on the Democratic side of the aisle are Islamic supremacists dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood and closely connected to violent jihadists, including al Qaeda-affiliated groups.
Not to be a broken record (see, e.g., here,here and here), but the Syrian civil war pits implacable enemies of the United States against each other. And as night follows day, they are using their barbaric jihadist tactics against each other. The situation is reminiscent of the central flaw in our Libyan misadventure which led directly to the massacre of Americans in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi on September 11, 2012.
As John Rosenthal acutely observes in his short but essential book The Jihadist Plot: The Untold Story of Al-Qaeda and the Libyan Rebellion , while there are many problems with using the label war on terror to describe our ongoing hostilities, at least the term had the advantage of making clear that the US and its allies abhorred the tactic in question. Yet, in Libya, and now in Syria, we have turned a blind eye to the fact that terrorism is used by the jihadists our government has chosen to side with. We try to obscure this fact by referring to the opposition forces as rebels, the better to avoid noticing that they consider themselves mujahideen (jihad warriors), and by pretending we favor only the secular moderates, though it is laughable to suggest there are enough of them to topple the regimes in question without allying with the more numerous and formidable Islamic-supremacists factions.
This is a disgraceful state of affairs. For many years after their enactment in 1996, the material-support-to-terrorism laws, which prohibit and severely punish any abetting of terrorist organizations and their savage methods, were foundational to American counterterrorism. They have been a staple of anti-terrorism prosecutions and of the policy shift designed to prevent terrorist attacks from happening (by starving jihadist cells of resources) rather than content ourselves to prosecute only after suffering attacks. At least as importantly, material support statutes also proclaimed our moral position: any organization that resorted to terrorism is the enemy of humanity, regardless of its cause and regardless of what humanitarian activities the organization purports to carry out. Now, no matter how much government officials deny it, our government is endorsing what we went to war to defeat. Our government is materially supporting terrorists the very conduct it prosecutes and imprisons American citizens for committing.
The intervention is also making a mockery of the international order that Obama purports to care so much about. There are international law restrictions against arming the jihadist-ridden Syrian opposition. The Obama administration looked the other way while encouraging Islamic-supremacist governments in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey to supply weapons. Now, entirely predictably, those weapons are in the hands of terrorists exactly what the international law restrictions were designed to prevent. So we are both materially supporting jihadists and undermining the laws on which, according to progressives, global stability depends.
And dont tell me about red lines and the Syrian regimes use of chemical weapons. The sharia-supremacists our government is supporting include factions that have been seeking chemical weapons for decades and unlike Assad, they want them in order to use them against the United States. This is not to carry Assads water; he is incontestably a monster unlike the Obama administration, which hailed him as a reformer and strengthened him by re-establishing diplomatic ties with Syria at a time when Assad was reeling, I have never been under any illusions to the contrary. But our interventionist rah-rah squad is gradually giving us a Middle East in which weapons of mass destruction will be in the hands of Islamic-supremacist regimes heavily influenced by jihadists (did you see that Morsis Egypt just appointed a governor from the blind sheikhs terrorist organization?). Already, the US/NATO intervention in Libya has opened Qaddafis arsenal to the jihadists who are terrorizing North Africa. Would Assad give his WMD to Hezbollah? He might, but as both he and Hezbollah are supplied by Iran, it would be silly to imagine that Hezbollah does not already have access to WMD. The point is that our intervention stands to land such weapons in the hands of Sunni jihadists. How is that better? How is it in Americas vital interests?
The fact is, we have no vital interests in the outcome of Syrias civil war. Both sides are our enemies. Assad has neither attacked nor threatened to attack the United States. Consequently, waging war against the Syrian regime is wholly a matter of choice. That is a choice that, in our constitutional system, cries out for congressional authorization. Without congressional authorization without a demonstration that the American peoples representatives are satisfied that American interests call for waging an unprovoked war against the Assad regime there should be no American intervention.
For what its worth, during the Libyaintervention debate, I dilated on what I believe our law requires for the use of military force in the absence of an attack or threatened attack against our country:
Transnational progressives and national-security conservatives may hotly debate whether any endorsement from some international body (in particular, the U.N. Security Council) is necessary before the United States may legitimately take military action. But there should be no debating that absent a hostile invasion of our country, a forcible attack against our interests, or a clear threat against us so imminent that Americans may be harmed unless prompt action is taken, the United States should not launch combat operations without congressional approval.
That is especially true in Libya. There is no realistic prospect of harm to the United States from Qaddafis regime.
Concededly, I do not believe there is sufficient justification to use U.S. military force I dont even think its a close case, and I think proponents are seriously discounting the net harm using force could cause. But I am talking now about propriety, not policy .
In his remarks Friday, committing to what he promised would be a limited military engagement (with no ground forces, basically just air power), [President Obama] never even hinted that he might seek Congresss imprimatur. To the contrary, he asserted that the use of force was authorized by the strong resolution of the U.N. Security Council, which was acting in response to a call for action by the Libyan people and the Arab League.
Many of the Libyan people, to say nothing of the Arab League, do not mean the United States well. But even if they were strong allies, that would make no difference. Only the American people and their representatives in the United States Congress get to make the call for action that involves enmeshing our armed forces and our country in a war.
In terms of American national security, there is no emergency. The only threat here is to Libyans who oppose Qaddafi. If that threat is truly worthy of American military intervention, President Obama and intervention proponents should be able to make that case to Congress quickly and persuasively. The presidents party controls the Senate, and even though Republicans control the House, the GOP has consistently rallied to the support of Democratic presidents when American national security is clearly at stake.
But its not. Thus, it is highly likely that Congress cannot be persuaded, quickly or otherwise. But the dim prospect for success is not an acceptable reason to end-run the process. In the Libya situation, our constitutional system calls for seeking a congressional authorization of military force. Even if that werent so, it is terrible policy to go to war without public support.
If the president and proponents of intervention cannot win congressional approval, that is a reason to refrain from going to war, not a reason to refrain from asking for approval. I used to think we all agreed about that. I hope we still do.
Fortunately, Senator Paul and Senator Lee still do, as do their Democratic colleagues, Senators Murphy and Udall. Hopefully, there are many others there certainly should be. The Congress abdicated its responsibility by failing to press for a vigorous debate on Libyan intervention, and by failing to pull the plug on that wayward initiative when Obama went ahead unilaterally. We should not need another Benghazi massacre to learn our lesson.
President Obama and his interventionist allies should be pressed to define the mission, be transparent about the forces opposing Assad, explain why helping them is in Americas vital interests, and persuade the Congress to authorize the use of military force. I do not believe they can do it in a convincing way, but they should have that opportunity. And it should not be optional if they cannot garner public support and persuade Congress to authorize the war (as President Bush did with respect to Iraq), then Congress must take decisive action to forbid American intervention.
We know where the administration is on the Muslim Brotherhood. Lets find out where the American people are.
Related: Senators Want Debate on Arming Syrian Rebels
We might get the debate but we’ll still send them weapons one way or another even if by covert means.
I am actually in favor of Islamist killing each other as they wish. However the Islamist backed by Obama are exterminating Christian men, women, children, and entire Christian villages.
Syria is a Russian client state, the last stronghold of Russia in the Middle East. Putin said this week that Russia will intervene in Syria, bringing weaponry to bear on the “insurgents” (US backed al-Queda mercenaries), weapons of a nature that have never been seen before in the region. When Putin issues a threat like that, you can take it to the bank.
Obama’s Christian killing mercenaries, John McCain’s al-Queda friends, will be exterminated by the Russians. Any doubt, check out Chechenya, Georgia, etc. Putin does not mess around.
cripplecreek ~:” We might get the debate but well still send them weapons one way or another even if by covert means.”
Then let them be sent by covert means !
And when it is found out (eventually) , we can have an investigation for impeachment for treason .
We are arming those (al Qada)who have already threatened us with extinction . Benghazi was only the start.
Sooner or later the Demotrogladites are going to have to deal with their own effluent !!
“In the various winds ,.. I will stand with the Muzzies “ has a consequence !
Its about time. GWB had to send Powel down to the UN to pled his case. Obama just rubs his magic Noble War Prize Medal and says, they cannot take it back now.
Agreed...The difference probably boils down to the fact Obummer thinks he’s entitled, about everything.
Our Gov't aids and abets terrorist.
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055253/posts
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.
[by “anti-government activists” is meant church-burning jihadists]
Sen. Cruz Statement on Egypt (Suspend aid over anti-Muslim Brotherhood coup)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055492/posts
Ted Cruz blames Egyptian violence on Obamas disregard for foreign aid law
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055589/posts
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