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To: jimjohn

Snowden is pretty obviously in the pay of Red China. It’s shocking how many people have deluded themselves about this.


3 posted on 06/16/2013 7:26:17 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Is that you, Joe Biden?

No patriot trusts the government. Our government was founded on distrust of a strong central government, and the Founders would be ashamed that we have been so lax in defending liberty. Ben Franklin was absolutely correct about seeking security at the price of freedom.


5 posted on 06/16/2013 7:38:55 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: wideawake

I was married for a while to a woman from Red China. She had a sister who had been at Tiananmen Square. She had a brother who had spent five years in prison for running guns to the Tibetans. She was no stranger to tyranny.

After living in the States for several years - small town Wyoming, no less - she began to remark that her impression from the first was that she was more free in China than in the US. It was soft tyranny here, but it was pervasive.

In China, if you weren’t political, you could live your life in peace, at least since “the excesses of the Cultural Revolution.” Here, the government was in every aspect of your life, and she saw it immediately, and she hated it. I had spent time there as well, and had to admit she was right.

I question your statement about Snowden’s motives. I also wonder if the truth is more important than how the truth gets to us. Nothing Snowden says has been at all refuted to my satisfaction, and much that has come out since has confirmed it.


9 posted on 06/16/2013 7:54:37 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: wideawake

We will also see how beholden to Red China the U.S. is. Red China may say “hands off Ed Snowden” and the U.S. govt. will obey.


11 posted on 06/16/2013 8:00:06 AM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: wideawake; dagogo redux
I question your statement about Snowden’s motives. I also wonder if the truth is more important than how the truth gets to us. Nothing Snowden says has been at all refuted to my satisfaction, and much that has come out since has confirmed it... Not only do I concur, but I knew a woman who came from the Soviet Union to the U.S. back in the 90's. Live near Reno, NV. Got on public television to tell everyone she was going back to Russia and why - because there was more free there, and warned that America was becoming like the Soviet Union she escaped. And espionage logic dictates that if Snowden is/was under Chinese control, I doubt we would know who he is, as I'm sure the Chinese would have left left him in place to fetch more intel, rather than have him 'blow is cover'. Most of Snowden data dump was about how AMERICANS are being spied on illegally. In short, Our government is out of control, I have no delusion about that at all, sir.
16 posted on 06/16/2013 8:24:10 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: wideawake

It’s amazing how many conservatives are willing to make a hero out of a traitor simply because it embarrasses Obama.

Sometimes the enemy of our enemy is just another enemy.

These are not political secrets being leaked. For better or worse, this is how we are trying to win the war on the terrorists.


22 posted on 06/16/2013 8:26:07 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: wideawake

I really don’t care if he is or isn’t as long as he upsets the admin.


24 posted on 06/16/2013 8:30:20 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: wideawake
Snowden is pretty obviously in the pay of Red China. It’s shocking how many people have deluded themselves about this.

Speaking of "delusions", your statement is pure speculation.

35 posted on 06/16/2013 8:41:04 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: wideawake
Snowden is pretty obviously in the pay of Red China. It’s shocking how many people have deluded themselves about this.

Have you inside info?

Are you at all upset with the revelation that our 4th Amendment Rights don't actually exist?

41 posted on 06/16/2013 8:43:49 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: wideawake

I do not believe anything from the USA media.
That does not mean I believe Russia or China.

It just means that I have lost any faith whatsoever I once had that the USA were the good guys. We are deceived daily by predators and parasites in the swamp.

The top parasites want a revolution. They have been dreaming it, talking it, working it and living it for as long as they have been alive in most cases.

The only ones standing in their way are older white Christians and they plan on murdering every last one of us as we cling to our rifles and Bible.

Hooray for Jesus the Messiah, come quickly and put an end to their miserable existence chained to Satan.


48 posted on 06/16/2013 8:58:33 AM PDT by winodog
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To: wideawake

And? The fact hat our disgusting govt is spying on everyone and still cant stop two idiots like the boston bombers doesnt bother you?


56 posted on 06/16/2013 9:15:51 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: wideawake
Snowden is pretty obviously in the pay of Red China. It’s shocking how many people have deluded themselves about this.

If that is true, Red China is more for our freedoms than our government. How can we be delusional for understanding the treachery and abrogation of the Constitution by our own government?

China may benefit, but so will the People - remember the People?

59 posted on 06/16/2013 9:26:10 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: wideawake

“Snowden is pretty obviously in the pay of Red China. It’s shocking how many people have deluded themselves about this.”

Do you have innuendo that makes it obvious or do you have facts to share?


70 posted on 06/16/2013 11:26:50 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: wideawake

With Wikileaks, Anonymous, etc it is “cool” to leak secrets these days. I wondered if this isn’t some kind of conditioning to make people become accustomed, even encouraged, to betray their government.


91 posted on 06/16/2013 8:40:20 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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