Posted on 06/16/2013 7:19:50 AM PDT by jimjohn
With all the banter going around concerning this ‘rouge element’, we need to take an honest look at what information has been revealed and more important - what makes this leaked information so damaging, and why Snowden is so dangerous?
Have you inside info?
Are you at all upset with the revelation that our 4th Amendment Rights don't actually exist?
No, he will never live long enough to be on trial in this country. There is simply no way the current regime would take the risk of an open discovery process.
We have a right to know everything about our Government does, no matter what laws they pass.
“He is currently known as the man who leaked some of the dark details of the U.S. Government’s National Security Agency or NSA”
Really?
Seems to me the news is implying he did what you say but, I can’t think of what he did that is of significance.
I think the panic over Snowden has done a very good job of chasing the IRS story (which is probably far worse) from the papers. I’m convinced Obastard caused the Snowden story on purpose.
You mean you KNEW ALL our emails, financial records, phone conversations, and ANY privacy whatsoever were being violated? Sorry -- I didn't know as much as you and am shocked.
Isn't all this far more an indictment of the abuse of the US Guv and the NSA scandal rather than Snowden's definitive revelation, or the US/Chinese snooping war??
You fell for it. Congratulations.
Yeah. I guess I'm a BIG Dummie for NOT seeing the ol' "You-Have-NO-4th-Amendment-Right" trick. Ought to be real helpful when conservatives are singled out for prosecution and persecution.
Need to make a bumper sticker....
“GO GREEN, RECYCLE CONGRESS”
I do not believe anything from the USA media.
That does not mean I believe Russia or China.
It just means that I have lost any faith whatsoever I once had that the USA were the good guys. We are deceived daily by predators and parasites in the swamp.
The top parasites want a revolution. They have been dreaming it, talking it, working it and living it for as long as they have been alive in most cases.
The only ones standing in their way are older white Christians and they plan on murdering every last one of us as we cling to our rifles and Bible.
Hooray for Jesus the Messiah, come quickly and put an end to their miserable existence chained to Satan.
Need to make a bumper sticker....
“GO GREEN, RECYCLE CONGRESS”
There has been speculation that the US has been spying on its own citizens and there has been speculation that the US has been spying on China. Snowden claims both are happening. Yet you think that Snowden is only revealing proof that the US is spying on China.
You're NOT being consistent. You seem very dismissive that Snowden says that NSA is PRESENTLY abusing the 4th amendment.
Look if you want to accuse Snowden of being a traitor for claiming that the US is spying on China, then I'm fine with that. But you're wrong about criticizing him for claiming that our government is violating the 4th Amendment. On that subject Snowden is a valid whistleblower.
Then he flees to . . . Red China.
Actually he went to HK. HK is considered by some to be free and open. Various publicans have rated HK to be one of the most free places to live. Now of course HK is controlled by China, and its always been my point of view that you can't have a "free" HK that is controlled by a tyranny such as China.
But there are many people who are naive enough to believe that HK is "free" and Snowden could one of those people.
Then take it to another one. Unless you don’t trust any of them. And if you don’t trust any of them, and you don’t trust the government either, why are you even here.
We can’t possibly defend this country if the average american doesn’t actually trust anybody in the government to do the right thing. We might as well shut down all of our anti-terror programs, and let some other country take over.
Seriously, you either HAVE to trust someone with your security, or you have to give up and try to defend yourself — and you can’t do that. You are no match for nuclear missiles.
You really enjoy grinding that axe. You seem highly motivated. I can't seem to work up the energy to participate in the gutting of the Fourth Amendment. "Anecdotal evidence" . Please. That's a high horse you're riding. Every branch of the Executive has its filthy fingers in our business with political motivation. Some just want to mind their own business, and some want to audition for the position of Gauleiter.
Good for Cheney. Leahy is a total, complete, pure unadulterated POS.
There is NO freedom of speech to tell something you were given under secrecy orders.
There are secrets that need to be kept, and people need to know them, and therefore we need to punish those who cannot keep these secrets, otherwise we will have no secrets.
And if you want the Chinese to know how to take out our defense systems, how to build our airplanes, how to listen in to our frequencies, how we can track their submarines — then I guess we don’t need secrets, and you can support any idiot who wants to divulge them.
We will not survive as a nation if every individual decides for themselves what secrets should be kept, and which ones should be revealed.
Congress not only knew something about it, they authorized it. Doesn’t mean they knew exactly what was happening. Of course, we only know what Snowden wanted us to know, so we are in no real position to make a final judgement.
Except it is easy to judge that people with classified access should NOT be telling the Chinese our secrets.
I should think that conservatives could agree on that simple point.
So now the NSA story is chasing down the IRS story?
But..but I was told that the IRS story chased away the AP story that chased away the Fox story that chased away the Benghazi video story that chased away the Benghazi stand-down story that chased away the weapons-to-Syria story.
Gee this Obama guy is clever.
And? The fact hat our disgusting govt is spying on everyone and still cant stop two idiots like the boston bombers doesnt bother you?
Personally, I would like the federal government to NOT be collecting our metadata.
I don’t think the issue is as clear-cut as it sounds; I know that the Supreme Court has made it so, but we were founded in a time when it was impossible for anybody to keep track of the metadata for an entire country.
You had to take great effort to even collect information, and often what you did would require a warrant. And if it didn’t, the shear complexity meant you could only target a few people, and you’d be targeting people who were likely targets.
I don’t think we have yet fully understood how the internet has changed everything. Sure, you can’t argue that where you walk down the street is private, but you probably assume nobody really knows where you go, unless you are already somebody they have interest in.
But now, we have enough assets, and enough storage, that we could literally store the entire dump of every webcam in the country. And if 3 years from now you are arrested for something, and they want to find out about you, they could go back in time, and figure out every person you interacted with for the past 5 years.
And if the government had a leader like Nixon, and decided to target an enemy, and managed to put the right person in charge of the program, they could make an enemies list that would show every person in an organization, and everybody they talked to, and who they talked to.
It is really like 1984. And frankly, we aren’t ready for that. We all commit little crimes, because there is a law for everything. We all also do bad things. We are all sinners. I don’t want the government to know I was cheating on my wife, or that I went to a strip club, or that I skipped Church, etc.
So even it if is legal, I think I’m quite willing to accept some risk in the war on terror in exchange for the government NOT having a record of my entire life ready and waiting for the right moment.
Snowden is still a traitor.
OK. Whatever you say. Most of the LIV think what the NSA has been doing is hunky dory, but are pretty POed about the IRS. So now all the stories in the papers are about something most LIVs (who elect Presidents) consider to be a swell use of the government, rather than something that pisses them off.
Obastard doesn’t have to be a super-genius to decide which one to leak out.
If that is true, Red China is more for our freedoms than our government. How can we be delusional for understanding the treachery and abrogation of the Constitution by our own government?
China may benefit, but so will the People - remember the People?
Lots of libs and a majority of all citizens don't like NSA spying on citizens.
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