Anybody remember the book, The Bell Curve?
Reality and time has vindicated it, but it was flagged as hopelessly racist at the time.
The Italian kids I grew up with were like this - about half of them did not go to college in a town where everyone else went to college - they were expected to join the family business. A generation before that none of them went to college. Now the great majority do.
Side note: the Italian-American club in town, probably dating back to the 1920s, has a sign on the wall: “Proudly Italian, 100% American.”
Another side note: there’s something wrong with a society that expects everyone to go to college, and expects people not to make a decent living if they don’t.
IMHO, there is no genetic inferiority of hispanics, rather, one needs to focus on the mainly illegal hispanics that come to America.
Mexico is a highly classist, and racist society, made further stratified and corrupted by decades of statism and socialism.
Mexico’s social-welfare policy simply is to encourage its poorest, least educated, members to go to the United States, to have Uncle Sam take care of them. Therefore, one has to look at the specifics of the group that is arriving.
Imagine if the USA’s policy was to encourage the poorest, least educated residents from our inner cities or poor countryside to go to Mexico?
I’ve said since I was in high school (early 70’s) that I am not a racist, but I am a culturist. This article never slams any particular race. Rather, it slams a culture. A culture that righteously deserves it.
The examples of students of hispanic background who resisted pressure to not pursue academic courses, and persisted to do well, probably reflected those who had the better genetic academic potential to begin with. In all population groups there is a fairly wide range of aptitude levels.
To illustrate the significance of this factor, consider the personality types--other than those being transported involuntarily--of those who braved the ocean, wilderness & whatever was unknown to settle the original Colonies. These people were not completely typical to their various human stocks. They tended to be exceptional in the ways that the culture they created proved to be exceptional. American values have always reflected that exceptionalism.
The Left wants to pretend that people are interchangeable. If you look more closely at the Academics who would deny the realities of human difference--of the uniqueness of the different peoples of the earth--you will find that most of those who push the denial seek some form of World Government; for the destruction of the very concept of the traditional nation.
Of course the pretense that people are simple products of their environment also fits neatly into the Communist theory that the rich only succeed by exploiting the poor, etc..
The Heritage Foundation has made not only a moral error in turning their back on Dr. Richwine. They have made a ridiculous logical error in turning their back on an honest effort to study the characteristics of human societies--the varied characteristics of human societies, which is pretty much what "heritage" is all about. The only people who should be offended by the study are those who are ashamed of heritage. (There is nothing wrong with being different or unique.)
William Flax
It's not 100%. I knew seriously smart Mexican guys in Engineering school, and they were not necessarily from the white Mexican upper class (although most were).
But even they had the defensive edge on them - they had to act out to prove their manhood to some extent or else be called names for being good students ("vendido", or sellout...meaning sellout to whitey).
You have to define Hispanics. I would put Cubans up against any group
I posted this before, but it seems fitting to add it in here.
Retired, with time on my hands, I volunteered to be a reading tutor at a Nevada middle school. I figured the majority would be Hispanics with an English problem.
That turned out to be correct, with a few whites that had attitude problems. The Hispanic kids were all eager learners and I mentioned that to the teachers. They told me the kids were bright, but the biggest hurdle was their fathers, who wouldn’t let them speak - or read - English at home. “Spanish is your heritage.” they were told. So much for assimilation.
I mentioned this to a teacher from Iowa, who said, “Oh, I DON’T believe that!” - end of discussion. I was too polite, but should have told her that denial was not just a river in Africa.
We had a limited choice of reading material, but I made it a point to emphasize our history and what a great country this was. Hopefully, some of it took root.
We’re constantly importing the dregs of Mexican / South American society, not the cream. And we’re surprised they collectively exhibit low IQs ?
Puhleeze.
You gotta be kidding.
Where in the article does it show the actual IQ differences?
And where in anyone’s experience have you seen higher IQ people become more “successful” than people with normal range IQs?
Think, man, think.
Having worked in the construction industry, I was always amused by this joke:
Q: Why do Mexicans re-fry beans?
A: Have you ever known Mexicans to do anything right the first time?
Asbestos suit in place; flame away....
Hans Eysenck, and others, in the 1960's established that IQ was in a large part biologically based and there were biological differences in intelligence between the races. One can hear the screams of rage against Eysenck to this day.
The world needs ditch diggers, too.
My family must have been an off shoot of some aryan mix into the "hispanic" race. (whatever that is.) By "Hispanic" are you talking about those that are of Mexican descent that have been in Texas for over 200 years like my mom's family or like my dad's family who immigrated here "legally" after fighting in the Cristero War. Maybe the hispanics that are the educated and business class of Cuba that defected here or Argentinians I met in Florida who immigrated after the Falkland war.(he survived a British artillery shelling)
My familily's patriarchs never wanted us to "kiss the patron's ring" so all the males(8 uncles) were MADE to join the armed forces and earn a GI college benefit or miiltary career. The women were made to go to high school and then become teachers, nurses, accountants and they did that. My generation of our family was encouraged to go into business for ourselves or like me become a doctor, teacher, lawyer etc..
I mention this in order to dispel the myth of a hard chldhood ending up on the government nipple. In other words "kissing the ring of the patron". I have been told that my IQ is such and such and that's why things came easy to me. I'm sure that I may be at the far end of some range of IQ measure. But my point is that IQ doesn't mean anything. My dad was smarter than me and he was a platoon Sgt in the Marines. Why? Because he loved the Marines and his country.
This use of "hispanic" to lump everyone from Mexico to Tierra del fuego is counter productive.
If we have immigrants to this country follow some simple rules we would have no problem.
Have a sponsor to insure they have a job.
Speak English in order to function in our society.
Learn the constitution and basic civics in order to learn that we aren't a democracy but a representative republic ruled by laws and inalienable rights and not ruled by men or "a majority".
No public assistance allowed unless fully employed and a tax payer. All assistance can be provided by the sponsor or private donations.
The bottom line was show up on time, do your work, don't complain and be thankful for your job because that's feeding your family. The "family" is the most important part of the picture. It keeps you from falling into the drugs, pregnancies and other habits that will bring you down.
well, nothing new in this.
In 1911, scientific studies showed that the average IQ in immigrant Jews was below average too.
As for the Irish? We were so bad that when the British eugenicists talked of inferior iq’s in the poor, they meant the Irish in the British slums....
Intelligence can vary depending on what test is used, the primary language of those tested, and upon the nutrition/intellectual stimulation given to the child while young. A child whose mother drank alcohol, or who was exposed to lead and other pollutants, will have a lower IQ too...
It is not purely genetic, especially when you “measure” intelligence in a multi ethnic community such as “Hispanics”, which comprise a lot of people from different ethnic groups (including several AmerIndian groups, Spanish conquerers, and various immigrants who live there nowadays.).
Quick: Is Bernardo O’Higgins Hispanic? How about Alberto Fujimora?
However, the bottom line is that the immigrants that we get from Mexico are generally from the lower end of their bell curve and the dregs of their society. So we get their indigent, their illiterate, and their criminal. Their educated upper classes are happy where they are and aren't the ones who come over here. So it's not surprising that the average Mexican immigrant has an IQ in the 80's, and that their children are at the bottom rung of educational and economic achievement.
In contrast, immigrants from India or northeast Asia tend to be from the cream of their society, people with skills and education. That rather than intrinsic differences between Asians and Hispanics probably accounts for the pattern we're seeing.
The problem, they told me, was that immigrant Hispanic families resented that their children had to go to school. They came from an agrarian society and saw only backbreaking labor as the path to survival. While the news was talking about the gang culture turning Hispanics away from education, this couple told me that the problem was the parents.
2. In the mid-1980s, one of the girls at my law school informed us that she was the first woman in her family, not only to go to college, but to go on to graduate school Her Hispanic family was not proud of her, considering that she was a fool for wasting her time instead of getting a clerical job, getting married, and having babies.2. In the mid-1980s, one of the girls at my law school informed us that she was the first woman in her family, not only to go to college, but to go on to graduate school Her Hispanic family was not proud of her, considering that she was a fool for wasting her time instead of getting a clerical job, getting married, and having babies.
Having lived in New Mexico for several years, I saw a lot of this mentality. In those rare instances where children did try to better themselves through education, they were resented not only by their peers but by their parents. One kid who was going on to medical school told me that his janitor father's attitude, rather being one of pride, was "you think you're too good for us now, don't you?".
The situation with girls was even worse. When one of them gets pregnant at age 15 or 16 and drops out of school, the attitude of her family is "we're so proud of you, you'll have such a big family," while a girl who wants to have a professional career is regarded as a freak.
The sad thing is, this is the mindset of those that DO work. On top of that, there's the whole gang subculture of the cholos that resents even unskilled labor.
When I hear Aztlan activists wail about how gringo is keeping them down, I can't help but laugh. It's their own loser culture and mindset that's keeping them down.