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New Benghazi Talking Point: The Republicans Made Him Do It? Seriously?
Twitter ^ | 5/10/2013 | Tommy Vietor

Posted on 05/10/2013 6:50:57 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer

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To: livius
Nobody actually gave a “stand down” order.

I don't think that's correct. Wasn't it in the Wednesday testimony that the military special forces stationed in Tripoli were explicitly told twice to stand down when they tried to respond to first a request for backup and later a request to evacuate?

21 posted on 05/10/2013 7:50:39 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: Springfield Reformer

Tommy Vietor-—who is this douche, stephanie miller in drag?


22 posted on 05/10/2013 7:50:40 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: jdsteel
The Dems have said that there was an issue with crossing the border of Libya without permission.

Which, curiously, doesn't explain why the forces in Tripoli were told to stand down.

23 posted on 05/10/2013 7:52:00 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: livius

“They were ready to go but then were told they couldn’t go because no one was responding to their requests and giving them the order to go.”

The 3 AM call came, and Obama let it go to voicemail.


24 posted on 05/10/2013 7:54:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: struggle
Obama left 4 Americans to die.

WRONG!!!
Obama left more than 30 to die. Four did...the rest were rescued.

25 posted on 05/10/2013 8:04:50 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: livius
But his whole strategy - and that of Hillary and the others, as well - is building “plausible deniability.”

He is the CIC. There is no "plausible deniability.” The buck stops with him.

26 posted on 05/10/2013 8:06:27 AM PDT by kabar
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To: livius

I noticed that Hillary didn’t talk to Hicks until 8 am (our time). Office hours?

When Obama learned of the attack, he didn’t rush back to the WH, he finished his visit at the hospital, went to the WH, met in the oval for 15 or so minutes, left to eat dinner with Michelle and the kids, then went to bed.


27 posted on 05/10/2013 8:07:21 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: livius
Military forces can only do things that they are ordered to do, and nobody gave the order for them to go there.

Reminiscent of a wasted opportunity to get OBL during Slick's admin.

28 posted on 05/10/2013 8:07:47 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: livius

Actions or inactions cost the lives of our personnel on foreign soil. CINC is responsible whether he denies it or not.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 8:10:28 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: livius
Nobody actually gave a “stand down” order. Military forces can only do things that they are ordered to do, and nobody gave the order for them to go there. They were ready to go but then were told they couldn’t go because no one was responding to their requests and giving them the order to go.

Key point. Line officers were acting on their own authority, preparing to get underway based on their awareness of the situation and the SOP for that situation.

Where is General Carter Ham?

30 posted on 05/10/2013 8:12:49 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

LIBERALISM IS a mental disorder.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 8:19:27 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: livius
I believe Hicks mentioned the name of the officer or at least the position of the person who stopped the flight by saying that they had not received authorization (presumably, from DC) to do it. I don’t think the scandal is at that military level.

It was Lt Col Gibson-Def Attache. According to Hicks' testimony, the order to stand down or not go came from U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM,) which was headed by General Ham at the time. Ham was in DC during the Benghzi attack.

Mission of AFRICOM

"U.S. Africa Command protects and defends the national security interests of the United States by strengthening the defense capabilities of African states and regional organizations and, when directed, conducts military operations, in order to deter and defeat transnational threats and to provide a security environment conducive to good governance and development."

The command's operations, exercises, and security cooperation programs support U.S. Government foreign policy and do so primarily through military-to-military activities and assistance programs. Our core mission of assisting African states and regional organizations to strengthen their defense capabilities better enables Africans to address their security threats and reduces threats to U.S. interests. We concentrate our efforts on contributing to the development of capable and professional militaries that respect human rights, adhere to the rule of law, and more effectively contribute to stability in Africa. U.S. AFRICOM most effectively advances U.S. national security interests through focused, sustained engagement with partners in support of our shared security objectives.

U.S. Africa Command has approximately 2,000 assigned personnel, including military, U.S. federal civilian employees, and U.S. contractor employees. About 1,500 work at the command's headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany. Others are assigned to AFRICOM units at MacDill Air Force Base, Florida, and RAF Molesworth, England. The command's programs in Africa are coordinated through Offices of Security Cooperation and Defense Attache Offices in approximately 38 nations. The command also has liaison officers at key African posts, including the African Union, the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), and the Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping and Training Centre in Ghana.

32 posted on 05/10/2013 8:20:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Irenic
The call between Hicks and Hillary was at 8PM DC time or 2 AM in Libya.

Obama met with Panetta, and Dempsey, at 5 PM at a meeting already scheduled. The attack on our mission in Benghazi began at 3:42 DC time.

At 4:32 PM DC time the Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. "The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey."

33 posted on 05/10/2013 8:29:33 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Springfield Reformer

Treason is the reason for the lyin’ and the appeasin’.


34 posted on 05/10/2013 9:00:38 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: struggle

There were about 40 Americans there.....only 4 died....all were left to die.


35 posted on 05/10/2013 9:24:48 AM PDT by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: kabar
The call between Hicks and Hillary was at 8PM DC time or 2 AM in Libya.

Yes, it was 2am Libya time and I believe it was *am DC time when she spoke to Hicks. (It is currently 6:20pm Libya time)

Obama met with Panetta, and Dempsey, at 5 PM at a meeting already scheduled. The attack on our mission in Benghazi began at 3:42 DC time.

Correct, the meeting was already scheduled. Obama heard of the attacks while he was at the hospital visiting wounded veterans with Michelle. They didn't rush back, they finished their visit. I mention this because all the whoopla over Bush finishing reading a story to children on 9/11.Obama never went to the situation room after leaving his scheduled meeting and dining with his family. It is a hard and fast rule of Michelle's. Obama must dine with the family everyday at 5:30? 6:oo and he can go back to whatever after that. Obama didn't go back, he had to rest up for his campaigning.(I would need to hunt down that quote from Michelle for the precise dinnertime)

36 posted on 05/10/2013 9:28:00 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: kabar

The two SEALs were already in Benghazi....working for the CIA....at a complex about a mile or so away from the consulate. They did disobey orders to go and help the Embassy staff.


37 posted on 05/10/2013 9:31:39 AM PDT by jch10 (The greatest threat to America is the Democrats.)
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To: Irenic

Dur...I just realized I worked that forward instead of backwards. Well, that sounds better. At least she talked to them beyond bankers hours. Small but better.


38 posted on 05/10/2013 9:34:32 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: kabar

I would think Ham would know. There’s been a lot of shuffling of personnel (Ham was already scheduled to leave his post, however) mostly, I suspect to obfuscate and make it harder to investigate.


39 posted on 05/10/2013 9:40:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: Irenic
I noticed that Hillary didn’t talk to Hicks until 8 am (our time). Office hours?

I thought it was 8 PM on 9/11 (2 AM on 9/12 Libya time). That certainly fits with Hicks' timeline. 8 AM DC time would have been long after it was all over.

40 posted on 05/10/2013 10:07:25 AM PDT by kevkrom (Obama: less class than Bill Clinton)
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