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Why the 3D Printed Firearm Will Be the Biggest Challenge Ever to the…..1st Amendment?
The Freehold ^ | 5/6/2013 | JONATHAN DAVID BAIRD

Posted on 05/06/2013 3:07:28 PM PDT by RightWingNilla

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To: davisfh
ABS plastic is quite strong. Also look at the thickness of the barrel in post #10. People have made guns entirely from hardwood. There was even a case of a prisoner making one from paper mache.

I believe it is possible to make a plastic barrel that withstands the pressure. It just has to be thick enough. Due to the required thicknesses, any firearm made from plastic will likely be heavier/larger than an equivalent made from metal.

The only issue is the bullets will slowly wear down the barrel until the pressure becomes too low. With steel inserts, I have no doubt that a semi-auto firearm is possible. Some plastics can withstand high temperatures so a full-auto may even be possible.

21 posted on 05/06/2013 3:43:21 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: RightWingNilla
Time to add a new letter to the acronym ... BATFEP

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, Explosives and Printers.

"Come out with your hands on your head, geek!"

22 posted on 05/06/2013 3:46:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: The_Reader_David

The files need to exist on as many computers as possible so they cannot be regulated.
***Good place to bump this thread.


23 posted on 05/06/2013 4:24:36 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Bobalu
3D printers will morph into desktop assemblers able to make drugs, guns, food, biological tissue, extremely complex electronic devices and things we can’t even imagine yet. Liberals/progressives/socialists/communists will all be against this technology since it liberates ordinary people...

I put on some hip waders and saw what the DU crowd was going with this story. They want to treat the CAD files for guns like kiddie porn. When the molecular compound variety of printers come around, the Nerf World nazis here will want the same treatment for printed drug files. Both will gleefully hand the feds more power than we can imagine to criminalize this technology...for the children of course, since neither side really wants to do any real hands-on parenting. Neither side is even remotely interested in freedom.

24 posted on 05/06/2013 4:47:13 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: davisfh

There is no need to print a barrel — that can be bought without legal constraints. The only part of the multi-part gun system which is “the firearm” is the lower receiver. That is not exposed to the strong explosive forces that the chamber or barrel see. In fact, AK-47 lowers are often made by bending light-gage sheet steel.


25 posted on 05/06/2013 4:57:19 PM PDT by expat2
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To: davisfh

You’re going to start seeing more and more stuff made with 3D printers.

GE to mass-produce critical jet engine part use 3D printing

http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130426-ge-to-mass-produce-critical-jet-engine-part-use-3d-printing.html


26 posted on 05/06/2013 5:00:33 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Obama is the Chicken Little of politics)
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To: RightWingNilla

I love it. The RKBA meets the freedom of the press!


27 posted on 05/06/2013 5:36:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: Orangedog
We already have in 18 USC § 842 - Unlawful acts, it being illegal to
(p) Distribution of Information Relating to Explosives, Destructive Devices, and Weapons of Mass Destruction.—
(1) Definitions.— In this subsection—
(A) the term “destructive device” has the same meaning as in section 921 (a)(4);
(B) the term “explosive” has the same meaning as in section 844 (j); and
(C) the term “weapon of mass destruction” has the same meaning as in section 2332a (c)(2).
(2) Prohibition.— It shall be unlawful for any person—
(A) to teach or demonstrate the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute by any means information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, with the intent that the teaching, demonstration, or information be used for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence; or
(B) to teach or demonstrate to any person the making or use of an explosive, a destructive device, or a weapon of mass destruction, or to distribute to any person, by any means, information pertaining to, in whole or in part, the manufacture or use of an explosive, destructive device, or weapon of mass destruction, knowing that such person intends to use the teaching, demonstration, or information for, or in furtherance of, an activity that constitutes a Federal crime of violence.
So merely passing along information about can put you in prison (unless you're Bill Ayers and have a well-connected dad). Congress can just add info about making firearms to the list.
28 posted on 05/06/2013 5:51:44 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: RightWingNilla

The “3D printed” firearm publications appear to be an effort to scream for legislation against private citizens making durable, dependable firearms with machines, steel, aluminum, etc. (currently legal).


29 posted on 05/06/2013 6:44:04 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: longtermmemmory
congressment

Is that related to excrement?

30 posted on 05/06/2013 9:25:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: expat2
There is no need to print a barrel — that can be bought without legal constraints. The only part of the multi-part gun system which is “the firearm” is the lower receiver. That is not exposed to the strong explosive forces that the chamber or barrel see.

And this is the kicker. It will not be making guns from scratch, but making parts to convert one type of gun into another. With the printers you can turn an AR-15 into an M-16. You can convert your AK-47 to full auto. Government won't sell you high capacity magazines, a bit of spring steal and a 3D printer and their ban becomes unenforceable.

Back in World War One the US Army came up with the Pedersen Device, which could convert a bolt action rifle into a sub machine gun. It wouldn't be impossible to make something similar using a 3D printer.
32 posted on 05/07/2013 10:47:21 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Well said. I’ve said as much (though not as well) on other threads. The real importance of the 3-D printer is that is absolutely shows that the government has lost control. They cannot infringe now. It’s not “will not” and it’s not “shall not”. They “can not” infringe in any meaningful way — and that essentially ends the game that began with the 1934 NFA.


33 posted on 05/07/2013 10:50:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (T)
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To: RightWingNilla; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; ...

Schmucky Chucky Schumer 3-D Nanny State PING!


34 posted on 05/07/2013 10:59:32 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: RightWingNilla
Americans enjoy the protection of Second Amendment

Theoretically. (And yes, I know there are some regimes even less respectful of civil rights than the US)

35 posted on 05/07/2013 11:06:37 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: RightWingNilla
I suspect they will heavily regulate 3D privately held printers.
36 posted on 05/07/2013 11:24:48 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Only one problem for the anti-rights crowd: unlike printers and scanners where the government successfully prevailed on them to include intelligence to prevent use in counterfeiting, 3D printers are a popular DIY item. Not just USING them, but BUILDING them from scratch. Tough to regulate the functionality of stuff people build on their own. In fact one printer design is actually named for the fact that it can print the critical parts to spawn one just like itself.


37 posted on 05/07/2013 11:45:15 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
That is cool, but you can make anything illegal.

In fact, I expect some big corporations lobbying for that. To much competition.

38 posted on 05/07/2013 11:52:05 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: davisfh

Thick, heavy, dense ABS plastic. 22 long rifle.

Capable of just a few shots before it malfunctions.

But it’s a start.


39 posted on 05/07/2013 12:55:37 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: redgolum

True, but it’s dicey strategerically to enact laws that are virtually unenforceable. On the one hand, it gives you a club with which to beat people you want to persecute, but on the other hand, it risks eroding even further whatever minute reluctance people might still have about breaking laws, not only because it’s unenforceable but if it’s viewed as an improper overreach as well.


40 posted on 05/07/2013 3:34:47 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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