Posted on 05/06/2013 9:44:33 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
“Another birther controversy could be brewing for 2016,” MSNBC host Chuck Todd informed on Monday. Though this time aimed at a Republican: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), who was born in Canada. While Cruz likely doesn’t face any real eligibility problems, Todd acknowledged, “questions are being asked.”
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How exactly is “natural-born citizen” defined? Since Cruz’s mother was born in the U.S. and his father became a citizen in 2005, Todd explained, going on to list similar scrutiny faced by President Obama, George Romney, and John McCain.
“The legal evidence seems to side with Cruz,” Todd argued, “but there is a grey area, and that may be all his opponents need.”
“It’s pretty clear that he qualifies as natural born,” Peter Spiro, a professor at Temple University, stated in response to Todd’s earlier question about how the term is defined. To clarify, Todd summed up: “If you are born to U.S. citizens abroad, no matter where, if they are U.S. citizens, if…one of your parents is a U.S. citizen — then that should qualify as natural born.”
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Are you talking about Ted Cruz or Barack Obama?
This issue is a classic leftist triangulation strategy to get those of us on the right to fight among ourselves so that the next Democrat nominee can run against the weakest, most wishy-washy Republican. It has already worked twice in the nominations of McCain and Romney.
Anything that divides and discourages some conservatives is to the benefit of liberalism.
Post 33 is about Cruz. Post 38 is about Hussein.
Give me specific reasoning why you think Ted Cruz (who was born in Canada that granted him a shared allegiance with that country) is a Constitutional natural born Citizen?
If a chiled born out of country to an American father is an American citizen, likewise a child born out of country to a Cuban father is a Cuban citizen.
If Canada has birthright citizenship, Ted Cruz can legally owe allegiance to Canada, Cuba and America.
Not sure how you can classify him as a “natural born” American citizen.
It is sweet to see the MSM becoming ‘birthers’ as they make a big deal of Cruz, though they continue to cover for Ubama. Cruz and Rubio will keep the birther issue alive, while the worm continues to turn on Ubama’s eligibility. Don't doubt me, Joe Arpio will get his man eventually. This ongoing discussion on NBC must make Ubama, Fogbow and other Ubama protectors very nervous.
Why would Cruz have a American birth certificate if he was born in Canada?
Agree. It appears we have a number of Huffington Post types who recently became trolls.
“That still is a ‘NBC’ via hooker. Kinda belittles the born in America citizenship when ya can just produce one in your ‘own’ country.”
You carry your American citizenship in your body and that includes your sexual organs. If you go to Zimbabwe, South Africa, and use your American sexual organs, you can make an American with a South African hooker.
You tube and college professors do not sway me. Natural born meant two parents who were both born in America were your natural father and natural mother. Sorry if I am over 65.I do not buy this destruction and well orchestrated demise of the constitution.
“Why would Cruz have a American birth certificate if he was born in Canada?”
Children born overseas to an American citizen (mother, father or both) are issued a certificate of birth by the country where they are born. That certificate is then taken with the parent’s (or parents’) passport(s) to the US Consulate or Embassy where they are issued a US Certificate of Report of Birth and a US passport.
-PJ
Cruz has an American birth certificate, not a Canadian one, but if he did, he could drop the Canadian one and then have allegiance only to America. You can only have allegiance to America to run for president. He doesn't have a Canadian or Cuban birth certificate so he can't claim allegiance to either of those countries.
I go back to my grandson. He has dual citizenship, English and American. He cannot have allegiance to America due to being an English citizen. Neither can he claim allegiance to England since he is also an American citizen. To claim allegiance to either country, he would have to give up the other citizenship.
“Natural born meant two parents who were both born in America were your natural father and natural mother”
That is exactly what Constitutional scholar and lawyer Herb Titus was implying in the video in simple terms for anyone to understand.
He was a new piece of flesh in Canada. He was not a citizen of any country until his mother filled out a birth record recording him as American and filed it with the government.
My birth certificate is an amended birth certificate. One of my parents gave my name to the person at the hospital who filled out the form according to what my parent said. The parent said I was an American and that was put down. However, when the person wrote my name (Marcella), he/she misspelled it. That wasn't noticed until later when they got the birth certificate in the mail. They had to contact the state to make the correction and a new, amended one, was mailed to them. Therefore, my birth certificate says, “Amended” at the top. So, legitimate mistakes can be corrected to an existing birth certificate. This is to show until parents complete and file documents, a baby does not exist in government records and those can be amended.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but your quote (non-binding, to be sure) uses one statement to say what a NBC is. Without context, I can’t tell if it is meant to be read inclusively or exclusively.
Sen. Cruz is clearly ineligible for Canadian citizenship, yet he was clearly born outside the United States.
I voted for Senator Cruz and I love the guy. That doesn’t mean he’s eligible. That sucks, but imagine what would happen if we had a US citizen raised outsid the United States and elected as president, even though he is basically a foreigner. Think about what horrific things he could . . . . Oh wait . . .
I smell a RAT, no pun intended.
“but there is a grey area, and that may be all his opponents need.”
Ya mean like Barry Soetoro, Barack Obama, Steve Dunham or whatever his name is with a Connecticut SS#, a Kenyan father, a mother too young to confer citizenship and no hospital that will claim it birthed him? You mean like that? :-)
“He doesn’t have a Canadian or Cuban birth certificate so he can’t claim allegiance to either of those countries.”
Do you have a link to your source?
From http://www.capitalnews.ca/index.php/news/citizenship comes this:
“As [British Columbia immigration lawyer Steven] Meurrens points out, Citizenship and Immigration Canada’s regulations state that entering Canada for the purpose of giving birth is not a barrier to entry and Canadians should take pride in the fact the country allows birthright citizenship.”
If his father went to the Cuban Embassy in Ottawa,Canada, Cruz could very well have a Cuban BC, in addition to his Canadian birth certificate.
Question is, has Cruz renounced his citizenship to Cuba and Canada? If so, where is the proof?
He does NOT have Canadian citizenship and he never did.
He was probably ELIGIBLE for Canadian citizenship as an infant (although there is an exlcusion that might apply). As soon as Mrs. Cruz wrote down that he was an American and go the passport, he was no longer eligible for Canadian citizenship. He also spent more than 10 years outside Canada without claiming citizenship. (See Canadian Citizenship Act of 1946)
In addition, neither he nor his father had ANY right to a Cuban claim. Legally, his mother was an American Citizen. His father was not a citizen of anywhere and owed allegiance to no one.
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