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20 Signs That The Next Great Economic Depression Has Already Started In Europe
Economic Collapse Blog ^ | 29 April 2013 | Michael

Posted on 05/02/2013 3:04:43 PM PDT by Lorianne

The next Great Depression is already happening - it just hasn't reached the United States yet. Things in Europe just continue to get worse and worse, and yet most people in the United States still don't get it. All the time I have people ask me when the "economic collapse" is going to happen. Well, for ages I have been warning that the next major wave of the ongoing economic collapse would begin in Europe, and that is exactly what is happening. In fact, both Greece and Spain already have levels of unemployment that are greater than anything the U.S. experienced during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Pay close attention to what is happening over there, because it is coming here too. You see, the truth is that Europe is a lot like the United States. We are both drowning in unprecedented levels of debt, and we both have overleveraged banking systems that resemble a house of cards. The reason why the U.S. does not look like Europe yet is because we have thrown all caution to the wind. The Federal Reserve is printing money as if there is no tomorrow and the U.S. government is savagely destroying the future that our children and our grandchildren were supposed to have by stealing more than 100 million dollars from them every single hour of every single day. We have gone "all in" on kicking the can down the road even though it means destroying the future of America. But the alternative scares the living daylights out of our politicians. When nations such as Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy tried to slow down the rate at which their debts were rising, the results were absolutely devastating. A full-blown economic depression is raging across southern Europe and it is rapidly spreading into northern Europe. Eventually it will spread to the rest of the globe as well.

The following are 20 signs that the next Great Depression has already started in Europe...

#1 The unemployment rate in France has surged to 10.6 percent, and the number of jobless claims in that country recently set a new all-time record.

#2 Unemployment in the eurozone as a whole is sitting at an all-time record of 12 percent.

#3 Two years ago, Portugal's unemployment rate was about 12 percent. Today, it is about 17 percent.

#4 The unemployment rate in Spain has set a new all-time record of 27 percent. Even during the Great Depression of the 1930s the United States never had unemployment that high.

#5 The unemployment rate among those under the age of 25 in Spain is an astounding 57.2 percent.

#6 The unemployment rate in Greece has set a new all-time record of 27.2 percent. Even during the Great Depression of the 1930s the United States never had unemployment that high.

#7 The unemployment rate among those under the age of 25 in Greece is a whopping 59.3 percent.

#8 French car sales in March were 16 percent lower than they were one year earlier.

#9 German car sales in March were 17 percent lower than they were one year earlier.

#10 In the Netherlands, consumer debt is now up to about 250 percent of available income.

#11 Industrial production in Italy has fallen by an astounding 25 percent over the past five years.

#12 The number of Spanish firms filing for bankruptcy is 45 percent higher than it was a year ago.

#13 Since 2007, the value of non-performing loans in Europe has increased by 150 percent.

#14 Bank withdrawals in Cyprus during the month of March were double what they were in February even though the banks were closed for half the month.

#15 Due to an absolutely crippling housing crash, there are approximately 3 million vacant homes in Spain today.

#16 Things have gotten so bad in Spain that entire apartment buildings are being overwhelmed by squatters...

A 285-unit apartment complex in Parla, less than half an hour’s drive from Madrid, should be an ideal target for investors seeking cheap property in Spain. Unfortunately, two thirds of the building generates zero revenue because it’s overrun by squatters.

“This is happening all over the country,” said Jose Maria Fraile, the town’s mayor, who estimates only 100 apartments in the block built for the council have rental contracts, and not all of those tenants are paying either. “People lost their jobs, they can’t pay mortgages or rent so they lost their homes and this has produced a tide of squatters.”

#17 As I wrote about the other day, child hunger has become so rampant in Greece that teachers are reporting that hungry children are begging their classmates for food.

#18 The debt to GDP ratio in Italy is now up to 136 percent.

#19 25 percent of all banking assets in the UK are in banks that are leveraged at least 40 to 1.

#20 German banking giant Deutsche Bank has more than 55 trillion euros (which is more than 72 trillion dollars) of exposure to derivatives. But the GDP of Germany for an entire year is only about 2.7 trillion euros.

Yes, U.S. stocks have been doing great so far this year, but the truth is that the stock market has become completely and totally divorced from economic reality. When it does catch up with the economic fundamentals, it will probably happen very rapidly like we saw back in 2008.

Our politicians can try to kick the can down the road for as long as they can, but at some point the consequences of our foolish decisions will hunt us down and overtake us. The following is what Peter Schiff had to say about this coming crisis the other day...

"The crisis is imminent," Schiff said. "I don't think Obama is going to finish his second term without the bottom dropping out. And stock market investors are oblivious to the problems."

"We're broke, Schiff added. "We owe trillions. Look at our budget deficit; look at the debt to GDP ratio, the unfunded liabilities. If we were in the Eurozone, they would kick us out."

Schiff points out that the market gains experienced recently, with the Dow first topping 14,000 on its way to setting record highs, are giving investors a false sense of security.

"It's not that the stock market is gaining value... it's that our money is losing value. And so if you have a debased currency... a devalued currency, the price of everything goes up. Stocks are no exception," he said.

"The Fed knows that the U.S. economy is not recovering," he noted. "It simply is being kept from collapse by artificially low interest rates and quantitative easing. As that support goes, the economy will implode."

So please don't think that we are any different from Europe.

If the United States government started only spending the money that it brings in, we would descend into an economic depression tomorrow.

The only way that we can continue to live out the economic fantasy that we see all around us is by financially abusing our children and our grandchildren.

The U.S. economy has become a miserable junkie that is completely and totally addicted to reckless money printing and gigantic mountains of debt.

If we stop printing money and going into unprecedented amounts of debt we are finished.

If we continue printing money and going into unprecedented amounts of debt we are finished.

Either way, this is all going to end very, very badly.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: countdown2war; depression; eu; eucrisis; eudepression; europe

1 posted on 05/02/2013 3:04:43 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Yawn.

Countdown to war.

Wonder if I should search out my old posts on the impending European genocidal war and see if I can’t ping the idiots who insisted quantitative easing would head this off to have a little chat.

Would they concede they were grasping at straws only a mute donkey would believe, or would they double down?


2 posted on 05/02/2013 3:11:53 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Lorianne
There are two big differences between the US and the EU. First off we in the US have made a tremendous investment in heavy metals ~ which the EU has not.

Then, there's North Dakota ~ latest government estimate of the value of the recoverable hydrocarbons there is pretty close to 1000 trillion dollars. Our national debt, at 17 trillion, is a small fraction of that.

3 posted on 05/02/2013 3:13:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MrEdd

When the history of these times is written, the blame for the economic collapse will be placed on the doorstep of Socialism and every politician that supported it.

In their attempt to create a perfect utopia they forgot about human nature.

The elite around the globe that has pushed the world to the brink better hope the coming revolution is more like the United States and not like the French.


4 posted on 05/02/2013 3:19:25 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Lorianne

“the stock market has become completely and totally divorced from economic reality.”
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As I have posted in the past, the US markets are little more then a pump and dump game for the rich and institutions.


5 posted on 05/02/2013 3:34:25 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: muawiyah
Then, there's North Dakota ~ latest government estimate of the value of the recoverable hydrocarbons there is pretty close to 1000 trillion dollars. Our national debt, at 17 trillion, is a small fraction of that.

Do you have a link?

At $100 per barrel ND has 10 trillion barrels equivalent?

Last I heard 10 billion barrels was optomistic.

But the point is one I would have made comparing us to Europe. As in last century, we produce cheap energy and Europe does not. The outcome will be similar.

6 posted on 05/02/2013 3:34:56 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: CIB-173RDABN
In their attempt to create a perfect utopia

I wish they had merely been on a fatuous utopia-quest. That might have been a forgivable motive.

I am more inclined to believe that their designs have always been on one-party rule, the main idea of which has been to deny Christianity any influence whatsoever. They seem to hate Christianity more than they love prosperity -- it's irrational, so it's no wonder that irrational phases, procedures, processes and philosophies are carrying the day (and leading to needlessly senseless outcomes).

7 posted on 05/02/2013 3:35:11 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU...)
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To: MrEdd
Wonder if I should search out my old posts on the impending European genocidal war.

They have had genocidal wars before. It would not surprise me if they have another.

8 posted on 05/02/2013 3:37:35 PM PDT by Mark17 (My body is in California, but my heart is in the Philippines)
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To: Lorianne

I am already greatly depressed in the United States.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 3:38:52 PM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Lorianne

I suspect that it will come “as a thief in the night”, because governments are trying their level best to create false confidence in dubious ways.

For example, somebody figured out that confidence in stock markets and the relative value of stocks can be maintained by simply manipulating the indexes. If someone has a few billion dollars and are able to buy or sell invisibly, without worrying about losing their money, they can play the stock indexes like a violin.

So don’t imagine that the next depression will be reflected in the stock markets.

But this creates the obvious problem, how will a depression outside of the stock markets happen?

Some of it is happening right now in the retail markets, with deflation and inflation happening simultaneously, but with different products. For example, in grocery stores some products are being sold for bizarre sale prices, a quarter or less their regular retail value. But other products just keep getting more and more expensive.

What could change things is if there is a run on a type of product, a run that brings in speculators. Retail stores typically plan with producers to buy just enough product at a fixed price for their needs. But if a speculator enters the situation, they outbid the retailers, resulting in both shortage and quickly inflating prices.

However, the market for that product has to be inflexible, or people will just stop buying it.

Yet the question remains, at what point does the public accept that we are in a depression, no matter what the government says or does?


10 posted on 05/02/2013 3:54:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: cicero2k
They just reassessed it ~ however the basic Bakken oil cache is about 167 billion barrels of oil (equivalent) ~ although the currently used technology will ony tap a part of that ~ conceivable technology for recovery may rise to 50%, and in the future there could be higher levels.

But that's just one area. There are several areas. Some easier to access than others.

Assuming oil stays at or above $100 per barrel, Bakken alone is conceivably worth $16,700 billion ~

The EU"s only hope is fusion.

Then, there's gas ~ and looking for total valuation is tough ~ that situation is growing so fast we'll be back to using oil for lubrication and plastic feed stocks. (I'll recheck my earlier numbers, may have jumped a digit ~ but $16.7 trillion is a large number ~ difficult to work with on the fly)>

11 posted on 05/02/2013 3:55:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CIB-173RDABN
When the history of these times is written, the blame for the economic collapse will be placed on the doorstep of Socialism and every politician that supported it.

Very well-stated! BUMP-TO-THE-TOP!

12 posted on 05/02/2013 4:22:45 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: MrEdd
Wonder if I should search out my old posts on the impending European genocidal war and see if I can’t ping the idiots who insisted quantitative easing would head this off to have a little chat.

I'm going to vote `yes`, because that will liven this thread up.

13 posted on 05/02/2013 4:30:28 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Actually.....Free Trade is the problem

The EU was founded as a Free Trade Block back in the 1950s.

Socialism has been used to cover the failure of Free Trade. Free Trade does not work, as you cannot create wealth and jobs by removing wealth and jobs. Eventually..... you run out of wealth and jobs....then run out of money to cover for the loss

Note, that, everywhere in the West where Free Trade has expanded.... Socialism has expanded. EU and US. It has expanded in both government services for the poor....and bank bailouts for the rich

When nations realize that Free Trade does not work....only then will economies rebound


14 posted on 05/02/2013 6:19:53 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Lorianne
The One Hour Meltdown
15 posted on 05/02/2013 7:46:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
When the history of these times is written, the blame for the economic collapse will be placed on the doorstep of Socialism and every politician that supported it.

I have a feeling that the world will place the blame for the global economic collapse on Socialism's tombstone.

An historic reset is coming.

16 posted on 05/02/2013 7:49:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

My view is the current situation greatly benefits China.

Period.

We need to bring the worldwide benefit back to the global good, and stop China from gobbling up all the stuff.

I’m just saying.


17 posted on 05/02/2013 7:49:58 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
My view is the current situation greatly benefits China.

China's false economy is failing too. They're kicking the can down the road just like the Western nations are. When everything goes kablooey, they're going to be hurt like everyone else.

18 posted on 05/02/2013 7:55:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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