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Dzokhar Tsarnaev - Read Him His Rights
Political Realities ^ | 04/21/13 | Charles M. Phipps

Posted on 04/21/2013 3:55:32 AM PDT by LD Jackson

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To: exnavy

America is not a war zone.

Periodic attacks by these dumbasses is not going to make a nation of 300 million grind to a halt and live in fear.


21 posted on 04/21/2013 4:34:35 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: Arlis
Please read the constitution and the precedence in law.

Miranda Rights is merely a "reading of the Constitution".

P.S. You're wrong on every point.

22 posted on 04/21/2013 4:35:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JohnPDuncan

And yet those people in black handed down a ruling that made it possible to impose Obamacare on American citizens. Incorrect? Maybe so, but certainly not irrelevant.


23 posted on 04/21/2013 4:35:58 AM PDT by LD Jackson
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To: JohnPDuncan
In the media reports they said he ‘negotiated’ with the FBI for 20 minutes before he gave up.

In the media today, they say he has a throat injury (and also a breathing tube) and cannot speak at all. There were hints (IMO) that his ability to speak may not return.

I never know when the media or the government is making stuff up. I think most of the time, they are.

24 posted on 04/21/2013 4:36:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: LD Jackson

All the dude has to say is “I want an attorney”.


25 posted on 04/21/2013 4:36:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: LD Jackson

And they were wrong to do so.

Have your state legislature pass a law nullifying it and making it a felony to enforce it.

Then lets see what happens.


26 posted on 04/21/2013 4:37:10 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: LD Jackson

"Read him his rights?
Listen, you stupid Cracker
our ONLY goal,
since it is too late to weaponize him,
is to get him off."

27 posted on 04/21/2013 4:38:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It would be convenient if he can’t speak and spill the details of his “deal” with the president which i’m sure he made before giving himself up.

There was lots of pressure to get one alive.

I heard they were using rubber bullets


28 posted on 04/21/2013 4:38:46 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

I didn’t say they were correct to do so. But, they did the deed anyway. Oklahoma is attempting to keep from implementing Obamacare, but it remains to be seen how that is going to work out.


29 posted on 04/21/2013 4:42:06 AM PDT by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson
Like it or not, Tsarnaev is a naturalized U.S. citizen who is accused of crimes committed on U.S. soil.

Tsarnaev is a Foreigner, and an adherent to militant islam who was naturalized as an American Citizen and committed a major act of TERRORISM against the American people.

That is a more complete statement of fact other than what the author wrote.

Have to say, from the get-go I've been against the "Patriot Act" for a number of reasons, one of which is the "Enemy Combatant" declaration that can be used against any American Citizen - natural or naturalized.

This specific case though really makes me re-consider my position. Far as I'm concerned Tsarnaev belongs down in Gitmo being water-boarded endlessly until we have every bit of information there is from him.

Then again once the Federal Government violates the Constitional Rights of a naturalized citizen, it's not a big leap to do that to the rest of us (and this Government HAS and DOES violate/attempt to violate our Constitutional Rights frequently!)

Still wrestling with this one ...

30 posted on 04/21/2013 4:42:22 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: savedbygrace

Mr. Phipps said no such thing. He is just concerned about the precedent it will set if he is denied his constitutional rights as an American citizen.


31 posted on 04/21/2013 4:43:05 AM PDT by LD Jackson
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To: The_Victor
You are right. He certainly has allegiance to an Islamic Caliphate because to Islam the whole world belongs to and is under the jurisdiction of Islam. He therefore he has allegiance and fidelity to a foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty. This is the oath he took to become an American citizen.:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
Not only that, but without questioning him, exactly how does Charles M. Phipps know that Dzokhar was not working at the behest of any foreign government or terror organization?

Cordially

32 posted on 04/21/2013 4:43:22 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diogenesis

Unfortunately, I think you hit the nail right on the head!


33 posted on 04/21/2013 4:45:26 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: JohnPDuncan
With all due respect, you are so very wrong.

They, the moslim, just brought a city of a million or more to a halt.

For all I know you may be one of them.

The barbaric hoards will not stop until all infidels are killed or converted.

It is war on an unprecedented level.

We had all better be prepared to mount up and step up, or watch as your grand children are murdered and raped before your very eyes.

34 posted on 04/21/2013 4:45:26 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: LD Jackson

They should ignore Obamacare and you should educate your state legislatures about nullification.

Google ‘10th amendment center’ they do some wonderful work on these issues (and many more).

Most of what Congress pass these days is unconstitutional. The 10th amendment reserves rights to the people and the States under anything not enumerated.

CO and WA recently nullified Federal drug laws.

Keep fighting and dont give up just because 5 government lawyers ruled so. The Supreme’s are irrelevant. The states and the people are not. This is who constitutes the Federal government. The supreme court is not the lord and master.


35 posted on 04/21/2013 4:45:28 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: LD Jackson
It's all about the questions....not his conviction...

If he wants to squeal about another hit or co-conspirators......fine.

36 posted on 04/21/2013 4:45:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: JohnPDuncan

He has the rights anyway, just like my right to own a firearm.


37 posted on 04/21/2013 4:45:55 AM PDT by KingLudd
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To: exnavy

Boston brought to a halt by its own PD and the Federal goon squad.

All to get one guy in a suburb?

Overreaction.


38 posted on 04/21/2013 4:46:44 AM PDT by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Anything he says before Miranda can’t be used against him so it’s a form of immunity of testimony and if he gives up others he could be promised no death penalty. They already have the carjacking victim saying they admitted to bombings and the MIT policeman murdered.


39 posted on 04/21/2013 4:48:48 AM PDT by AU72
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To: fatnotlazy

Only what he spews can not be used in court. This is all about the particular questions he will be asked without an attorney. And they will have nothing to do with the two bombs he and his bro set off.


40 posted on 04/21/2013 4:49:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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