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Anti-Birther Dr. Conspiracy Says The Presidential Natural Born Citizen Clause Is No Longer Relevant
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/03/taitz-surroundedthreats-loom/#comments ^

Posted on 03/27/2013 12:04:37 PM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter

From Dr. Conspiracy March 27, 2013 at 9:11 am

Based on my reading of the debates on Presidential eligibility and other commentary, my opinion is that the concerns that prompted the NBC clause are no longer relevant as our form or government is no longer novel...

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TOPICS: Education; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: birftards; certifigate; communist; constitution; corruption; coup; democrats; education; electionfraud; mediabias; naturalborncitizen; obama; teaparty; voterfraud
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To: justiceseeker93

He is the arbiter of what is and is not relevant, I suppose. If it’s no longer relevant, why not amend the constitution? Because he knows such an amendment would have no chance, because the political consensus is that it is relevant?


21 posted on 03/27/2013 4:00:24 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Diogenesis

“If the GOP cared about the Law (they do not)
and America (they do not), they would not have
allowed non-NBC (Mexican) Romney to run.

But they did, because the GOP supports ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE,
gay marriage, and the rest of the Mexican Romney agenda.”

Obsessed with Romney much?


22 posted on 03/27/2013 4:12:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Is the "natural-born" clause really no longer relevant? What would it be like if a non-American became President? Just for grins, I'm reposting a post of mine from September 16, 2010, from a thread on the Declaration of Independence:


He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.



He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.



He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:



For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:



For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:



For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies



For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.



He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.


-PJ
23 posted on 03/27/2013 4:33:33 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Ping back at you.

-PJ

24 posted on 03/27/2013 4:34:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: 4Zoltan
Do you consider Senator Santorum to be a natural born citizen?

Well, what are the particulars regarding citizenship with Mr. Santorum? He's never been in a position for natural born citizenship or the lack of it to have any bearing. Sure, he ran in the Republican primary, but apparently most any schlub with financial backing can do that these days.

Was he born in the United States, or elsewhere? If elsewhere, did any foreign sovereignty make a legal claim of jurisdiction over him due to having been born there?

What other routes are there, for a foreign sovereignty to make a legal claim of jurisdiction over Mr. Santorum? Were there any claims via descent, meaning through either of his parents? If so, was any such claim absolute, meaning Mr. Santorum was subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign sovereignty due circumstance of parentage?

Or, perhaps there was a generational offer of citizenship, with the jurisdiction that comes along with it, that required some sort of affirmative act? If so, was was such an offer ever affirmatively acted upon?

You see, it's really not so simple, as the State Department has confirmed for quite some time, likely as long as it has existed. It's not a matter of subjective opinion and it's not a matter that is resolved by emoting.

If some other legal system has it's hooks in him, he should not sit as President and in fact was precluded from doing so. If no other does, then he can.

25 posted on 03/27/2013 4:36:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Political Junkie Too
Limiting voting to citizens.

Just a technical point: the Constitution does not explicitly limit voting to citizens, but every state has a law that makes American citizenship among the requirements for voting, and to the best of my knowledge, such a requirement has been present in every state since the country's founding.

Of course the Left has cheated and concocted various schemes in various states to attempt to violate such laws, because alien voting helps their cause.

26 posted on 03/27/2013 7:32:36 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
my opinion is that the concerns that prompted the NBC clause are no longer relevant as our form or government is no longer novel, and that the US is now a powerful and wealthy nation.

That's the equivalent of saying:

We put the lock on the door because we were poor and didn't want anyone breaking in and stealing what little we had.

But now that we are rich with even more of value to lose we should take the lock off of the door.

27 posted on 03/28/2013 12:52:09 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Dr. Conspiracy is an idiot. I personally don’t care what he thinks about anything.


28 posted on 03/28/2013 7:19:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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