Modern Manliness and the Perpetual State of Low Expectations

Acculturated ^ | February 14 | R. J. Moeller

[mylife]

Financial independence at 20?

[mylife]

I would suggest that a major reason Men Are no longer men is because Women will not allow it.

They what you to be steadfast, but spontaneous, tough, but sensitive, a rock and a willow.
Fix the car and be able to bake a cherry pie.

[mylife]

Of course 20 something women have long let go of notions of ponies and princes.

[Secret Agent Man]

if that were true they wouldn’t be watching pride and prejudice, and downton abbey and all that stuff.

[2ndDivisionVet]

It’s been done, but not much lately. My father worked as a “hired man” for another farm family many miles away from home when he was 14. For fifty cents a day and room & board and that helped keep his family from starving to death. These kids have no idea what rough is.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

“in their 20s” not “at 20”

At 20, boys today could be more responsible. But assuredly, by the time you are 24 or 25, you need to have that full time job and stop sponging off of the parents or the government.

[mylife]

I would hardly call that financial independence.
No offense to your father, or any responsible man that pays his way, and that of his family.

[mylife]

Women are next to impossible nowadays.
They want instant gratification at every turn.

[mylife]

I was paying rent to the Parents the moment I turned 18 LOL

[BuckeyeTexan]

I don’t want a cherry-pie-baking sissy. Any man of mine better be a man, dammit.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

I was out the door at 18 myself, but that didn't mean that I didn't have to go ask for help on occasion. But until I lost my job last year, I had a good run of 17 years of financial independence.

I don't think it is the occasional help from family that is referred to here, it's the fact that it is complete support from family for so many boys into their 30s.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Different times. When we'd watch The Waltons on TV he'd tell me "those were the rich people" during the depression. Many times the family had a potato to eat. Not one potato each .... ONE POTATO to be split eight ways! His "school lunch" was usually a slice of corn bread with some bacon grease smeared on top of it. I know these sound like the "10 miles in the snow, uphill both ways" stories, but I've been to where he grew up and I believe every word.

[mylife]

I think KAY S. HYMOWITZ never grew up.

[yldstrk]

oh everything is the woman’s fault always, that is so myopic. If it isn’t your mom’s fault it is your girlfriend’s fault. Grow up

[BuckeyeTexan]

They want instant gratification at every turn.

I find that Cabela's is able to satisfy that need when it arises. ;p

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

I would hardly call that financial independence.

I think you are conflating "financial independence" with "independently wealthy".

Financial independence means that you can pay for yourself and no one is supporting you.

[mylife]

When I say financial independence I mean, not having to worry about work or the next meal.

[mylife]

LOL!

Of course I am generalizing, just as this article generalizes.

[mylife]

I am merely pointing out that the article lays it all at the feet of men.