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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would suggest that a major reason Men Are no longer men is because Women will not allow it.

They what you to be steadfast, but spontaneous, tough, but sensitive, a rock and a willow.
Fix the car and be able to bake a cherry pie.


3 posted on 03/18/2013 10:05:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I don’t want a cherry-pie-baking sissy. Any man of mine better be a man, dammit.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 10:28:25 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: mylife

oh everything is the woman’s fault always, that is so myopic. If it isn’t your mom’s fault it is your girlfriend’s fault. Grow up


15 posted on 03/18/2013 10:31:04 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mylife
I would suggest that a major reason Men Are no longer men is because Women will not allow it.

It's man against man in this world, and women are mere proxies. Open your eyes. ( And don't tell my wife I said that! )

No, but really ...

24 posted on 03/18/2013 10:39:45 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: mylife

Amen to that. Women can start putting their clothes back on. Men will not compete against women, nor will they compete against a culture that has become so repulsively feminized.


66 posted on 03/19/2013 3:14:08 AM PDT by AdaGray (squi)
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To: mylife
I would suggest that a major reason Men Are no longer men is because Women will not allow it. They what you to be steadfast, but spontaneous, tough, but sensitive, a rock and a willow. Fix the car and be able to bake a cherry pie.

A lot of the posters on this thread apparently did not read the original article by Hymowitz:

What explains this puerile shallowness? I see it as an expression of our cultural uncertainty about the social role of men. It's been an almost universal rule of civilization that girls became women simply by reaching physical maturity, but boys had to pass a test. They needed to demonstrate courage, physical prowess or mastery of the necessary skills. The goal was to prove their competence as protectors and providers. Today, however, with women moving ahead in our advanced economy, husbands and fathers are now optional, and the qualities of character men once needed to play their roles—fortitude, stoicism, courage, fidelity—are obsolete, even a little embarrassing.

Today's pre-adult male is like an actor in a drama in which he only knows what he shouldn't say. He has to compete in a fierce job market, but he can't act too bossy or self-confident. He should be sensitive but not paternalistic, smart but not cocky. To deepen his predicament, because he is single, his advisers and confidants are generally undomesticated guys just like him.

Single men have never been civilization's most responsible actors; they continue to be more troubled and less successful than men who deliberately choose to become husbands and fathers. So we can be disgusted if some of them continue to live in rooms decorated with "Star Wars" posters and crushed beer cans and to treat women like disposable estrogen toys, but we shouldn't be surprised.

Relatively affluent, free of family responsibilities, and entertained by an array of media devoted to his every pleasure, the single young man can live in pig heaven—and often does. Women put up with him for a while, but then in fear and disgust either give up on any idea of a husband and kids or just go to a sperm bank and get the DNA without the troublesome man. But these rational choices on the part of women only serve to legitimize men's attachment to the sand box. Why should they grow up? No one needs them anyway. There's nothing they have to do.

They might as well just have another beer.

70 posted on 03/19/2013 4:14:05 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron. No, they are both.)
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To: mylife

“I would suggest that a major reason Men Are no longer men is because Women will not allow it.”..............

The problem the writer discusses is very real - and unfortunately there is a similar problem with modern women. They don’t behave like what was once thought to be normal behavior in women.

So, we are left with immature yong men, and with women who behave with no shame, are immodest, are not expected to be maternal in nature. Our crass culture trains our young girls even as early as 5 and 6 years of age to desire clothes that are suggestive, put on makeup at age 10, learn about how to do a BJ, and how to use contraceptives so as to be a W&#$e in training.

Then our culture yells about cigarettes causing great expences to out medical system; too much soft drinks are unhealthy, etc. Now, they may indeed be unhealthy, but WHAT ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - PROMISCUITY???

It is extremely unhealthy and expensive to our health systems. It keeps our young people as slaves to their natural appetites, and really does put pressure upon young people to be promiscuous.

Why should we be surprsed when young men are immature when young women have been trained/forced to put out at no cost to these men?


72 posted on 03/19/2013 5:03:20 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: mylife

Yes, and another big factor is that we’ve destroyed marriage as a institution. The author foolishly expects men to continue to aspire to that ideal, when it doesn’t exist anymore. It would be as if our test of manhood was a guy owning five slaves by the end of his twenties, and then judging modern men as deficient. Ludicrous.


75 posted on 03/19/2013 6:35:08 AM PDT by Boogieman
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