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Robert Spencer: Why I am not a conservative
Jihad watch ^ | Mar. 12, 2013 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 03/13/2013 9:14:53 AM PDT by AuntB

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To: Durus

Regardless, the terms left and right wing have no real bearing on the political process of America
Perhaps the only way the term “right wing” would come into play is if there were a large movement to reunite the USA with the British Crown.

After all, the original “right wing” in France were feudal royalists who were willing to act as a rubber stamp for the monarch and were also against religious freedom while upholding a state church. (Funny how the left wing is much the same, although with atheism as the state “religion” and the Party in place of the monarchy . . .)
21 posted on 03/13/2013 9:48:33 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: ksen
That is an interesting opinion. Do you think it's just sour grapes and Mitt Romney and Grover Norquist are good conservatives? Do you think the whiner needs to just shut up and let our elite betters leaders do out talking for us?
22 posted on 03/13/2013 9:48:37 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ksen

“So basically this guy is just crying that he’s not getting awards and speaking fees?”

Good grief! READ. NO! He got the award...was voted by the attendees. Norquist, Cardenas, teaparty.net TOLD him NOT to show up to accept it, if he had any criticism of Norquist!

I can’t believe how many people simply cannot, or WILL not follow this story! It’s not difficult!


23 posted on 03/13/2013 9:49:18 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: cripplecreek

Not surprising to me, it really does fit with what they were trying to conserve in regards to culture- European culture which is very centralized authoritarian (but also anti-Islam) but also more ‘out’ in regards to homosexualism. The entire concept of the out ‘Bon Vivant’, Dandy, etc, is just accepted there as part of the cultural identity.

Unlike what some say, we do not have a European culture here. Just the opposite. Even the ‘Bon Vivant’ isn’t looked at as an individual there but part of a certain class and is defined by that class identity. It is pretty minor in the big picture of the differences but it gets down to a class based authoritarian culture.


24 posted on 03/13/2013 9:51:10 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Durus

Since I’m not a conservative or a Republican I don’t have a dog in this fight. That sentence just seemed to stand out.


25 posted on 03/13/2013 9:54:41 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: AHerald; reefdiver; All

“Spencer is a hero. God bless him. One of the few with courage to speak uncomfortable truths to his fellow man. He is hated, mocked, slandered, threatened and abused and still he stands.I wish I had a sliver of this man’s courage.”

Yes he is. I’m glad SOME of you can actually follow this story! Also is Pam Geller, also banned by CPAC for speaking against Norquists radical Islamic ties. See the checks here, written to Norquist’s Islamic Institute by a convicted radical Islamist.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2013/03/pam-geller-robert-spencer-take-on-cpacs.html


26 posted on 03/13/2013 9:55:06 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Olog-hai
Even at the time the “Left wing” was made up of authoritarian mercantilist/Gramscians who simply wanted power for themselves. Their violent revolution and the “redistribution of wealth” that went on demonstrates that they were not concerned with liberty as anything other than a catch phrase.
27 posted on 03/13/2013 9:55:33 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ksen

What are you then?


28 posted on 03/13/2013 9:58:22 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: AuntB

I was on to Norky back when Frank Gaffney started raising the alarm


29 posted on 03/13/2013 9:58:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: AHerald; AuntB
Spencer is a hero. God bless him. One of the few with courage to speak uncomfortable truths to his fellow man. He is hated, mocked, slandered, threatened and abused and still he stands.I wish I had a sliver of this man’s courage.

Amen!

The irony covered in this article is spectacular. Looks as though many are missing it.

30 posted on 03/13/2013 9:59:55 AM PDT by Jane Long
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To: Durus

He’s Murrymon’s replacement.


31 posted on 03/13/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Should be Murrymom’s replacement, the token liberal we keep around.


32 posted on 03/13/2013 10:00:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Durus
"It certainly doesn't change the concept of conservatism. Conservatism is greater than party affiliation." ____________________________________________________________ "By my definition, Conservatism starts and ends with the written meaning of the constitution as explained by our founding fathers."

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Formerly there were conservative Democrats, not so now.

Conservatives must be strong and stand up to scathing criticism heaped on them by the press if they are well known or TV personalities, sports stars, Movie stars, etc., our candidates are besmirched and torn apart for being normal clean living citizens. It is devastating to endure. Ala Sarah Palin. She faced it bravely and was not shut down. Her decision to not run must have been as a result of threats toward her family, or too low an approval to continue. Who can stand up to that? NONE OF US! MO!

Let us Thank the LORD for his daily blessings ...

God help America, in Jesus name amen.

33 posted on 03/13/2013 10:03:46 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: Durus; ksen; Lakeshark; C. Edmund Wright
What are you then? [ksen]

Welllllllll ....... we're waiting?!

34 posted on 03/13/2013 10:05:44 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: AuntB

It appears that, in a nutshell, Robert Spencer is saying he is not a “conservative” according to how the Ministry of Truth applies the label.

In that case, I guess I’m not a “conservative” either.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'll stop being a cynic when the world stops giving me reasons to be cynical.)
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To: AuntB
To British friends of mine, conservative means just what Spencer has written: authoritarian and racist. There's no convincing them otherwise. They're hard-core leftists, Marxists really, as anyone with a university education is in Britain, so anyone not pushing for their socialist utopia is a troglodyte.

I think the point of this article, apart from labels, is to wake up self-identified American "conservatives" to the fact that the spokesmen of the "conservative" movement don't share anything with us. In fact, they have it out for us.

36 posted on 03/13/2013 10:07:39 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: dfwgator

I am way nicer and more fun to hang out with than Murrymom. :foldarms:


37 posted on 03/13/2013 10:09:59 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: Jane Long

If many are missing it, then it’s too obscure or perhaps does not really exist. The dismissive phrase “conservative movement such as it is” denies the existence of real conservatives.

And nobody likes the phrase “new movement” due to the implications.


38 posted on 03/13/2013 10:10:35 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Durus

I would classify myself as a progressive who’s a member of the Democratic party until something better comes along.

I think my progressive buddies and I feel the same way about the Democratic party that you and your conservative buddies feel about the Republican party so I can commiserate with you.


39 posted on 03/13/2013 10:11:50 AM PDT by ksen (". . . organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy" - Matt Taibbi)
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To: AuntB
The term "right-wing" is code-----a handy paintbrush with which liberals tar conservatves.

Watch the left as they cunningly label the rest of us as "right-wing." B/c in liberal-land, "right-wing" is code for horrid things like "judgementalism," "moral certitude," and, "religious piety."

That means we also lack the left's "enlightened values" — reason, tolerance, diversity, equality.

Quoting the left's intellectual mentor, author, Saul Alinsky: "They do not have a fixed truth -- truth to them is relative and changing..... they are free from the shackles of dogma." (from Rules for Radicals).

40 posted on 03/13/2013 10:17:00 AM PDT by Liz
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