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To: Windflier
I don't agree with your chart, and don't agree that it represents the Founding Generation's understanding of the term, Natural Born Citizen. Your chart shows a weak and imperfect form of citizenship -- one which the Framers would not have held up as the unimpeachable standard for the office of President.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with the chart or not. It is an accurate representation of what "natural born citizen" does and does not mean, as stated by every single real authority in the entire history of the United States.

Use the keyword, "NBC", and read the multitudes of threads posted here, which back up my assertion.

I've read those threads, and a lot more besides.

Here is a revised version of the chart, with a comment regarding Vattel at the bottom:


610 posted on 03/09/2013 5:27:50 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
It doesn't matter whether you agree with the chart or not. It is an accurate representation of what "natural born citizen" does and does not mean, as stated by every single real authority in the entire history of the United States.

I'm sorry, but I still disagree with your assessment of that chart. I've done enough reading on the subject to know that it's at odds with the Framers' understanding of the phrase, Natural Born Citizen.

Simple logic dictates that a person born on the soil of a country, to two citizen parents, will most likely have the greatest degree of unshakeable loyalty to the country of their birth. This is the fundamental point here, and is something which I believe the Framers easily processed with simple reasoning.

Further, I firmly believe that it was their intent to encode that simple logic and reasoning into our Constitution, in Article II, Section I of that document.

Using your understanding of the NBC clause, it would be just fine with the Framers if we put a man in the Oval Office who was raised outside this country and its history and culture, simply because he laid claim to having been born on our soil.

Wait.....oh my....we did that in 2008, didn't we?

678 posted on 03/09/2013 10:36:53 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jeff Winston
I argue with a guy that is always linking his own writing back at his own blog in support of his arguments. That it is ridiculous for him to cite himself as his own authority is simply beyond his understanding.

I think you have done something similar with your graph. It simply says what you want it to say because it's based on your whim. It is proof of nothing.

849 posted on 03/10/2013 3:55:21 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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