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FORGET THE INDOCTRINATION: Hitler and Mussolini were "progressives" and men of the left
Doug Ross @ Journal ^ | February 17, 2013 | Doug Ross

Posted on 02/17/2013 10:33:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Daniel Hannan cuts through the disinformation routinely spewed by the pundit class to reveal the true historical nature of fascism, albeit as it pertains to British politics. The lessons, however, are applicable here as well.

'I am a Socialist,' Hitler told Otto Strasser in 1930, 'and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow'.

No one at the time would have regarded it as a controversial statement. The Nazis could hardly have been more open in their socialism, describing themselves with the same terminology as our own SWP: National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Almost everyone in those days accepted that fascism had emerged from the revolutionary Left. Its militants marched on May Day under red flags. Its leaders stood for collectivism, state control of industry, high tariffs, workers' councils. Around Europe, fascists were convinced that, as Hitler told an enthusiastic Mussolini in 1934, 'capitalism has run its course'.

One of the most stunning achievements of the modern Left is to have created a cultural climate where simply to recite these facts is jarring...

(Excerpt) Read more at directorblue.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: 1934; collectivism; fascism; hitler; nationalsocialism; nazis; socialism; socialists; swp; tariffs
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1 posted on 02/17/2013 10:33:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are all socialist facsists. Islam is the origin of all these man worshipping sects, disquised as religion or philosophy.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 10:44:44 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

ah, meant...socialist fascists...


3 posted on 02/17/2013 10:48:56 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Freepers knew this when we were children I bet, it is amazing how many people don’t know


4 posted on 02/17/2013 10:50:58 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Leftism Revisited” by K-L is the best book on Leftist movements which puts all these totalitarianism/socialists/fascists/progressives/sodomites together—explains them and lumps them together for the similar end result of totalitarianism and immorality.

The Fabian Socialist movement was the one which destroyed England totally from within.

http://www.truthbasedlogic.com/keynes.htm


5 posted on 02/17/2013 11:04:41 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: GeronL

I gotta ask you, how would freepers know, about the progressive movement, when they were children?


6 posted on 02/17/2013 11:06:15 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think one of the biggest problems, besides Communist propaganda demonizing Fascism as Capitalism’s guard dog, is the misuse of the word Corporatism.

Corporatism means collectivism, like the Medieval guilds of old or state controlled enterprise. However, people have linked it to the word Corporation, and think it means plutocracy or oligarchy in which business interests control society.

Orwell warned us of the misuse of language in politics.


7 posted on 02/17/2013 11:09:19 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: savagesusie

‘“Leftism Revisited” by K-L’

K-L: Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn

He was a regular at National Review back when that magazine was worth reading. In other words, a very long time ago.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 11:16:06 PM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio. for Amnesty, Spanish, and Karl Rove.)
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To: RedHeeler; GeronL
I read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Schirer and Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer in elementary school is how.
9 posted on 02/17/2013 11:19:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And I will ask.

When has a right leaning gov’t killed people?

The Spanish in the 30’s were not right leaning.

The Germans were not right leaning.

Has there ever been a right leaning administration that did this?

10 posted on 02/17/2013 11:28:56 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

What governments would you include as right leaning?


11 posted on 02/17/2013 11:45:59 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: savagesusie

Have you ever read Mark Gabriel’s work? I would source it, but don’t how or care to learn. He is a very good author on the origins of Isalm, and how it has effected it’s world view since muhammad. Since, his supposed revelations occured 1500 yrs ago, I presume him to be the artifact of our present day socialist fascists. At the least, take a look at what Dr. M. Gabriel to say.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 11:46:34 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They definitely aren’t reading those in elementary schools around here


13 posted on 02/17/2013 11:47:28 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: savagesusie

Have you ever read Mark Gabriel’s work? I would source it, but don’t how or care to learn. He is a very good author on the origins of Isalm, and how it has effected it’s world view since muhammad. Since, his supposed revelations occured 1500 yrs ago, I presume him to be the artifact of our present day socialist fascists. At the least, take a look at what Dr. M. Gabriel to say.


14 posted on 02/17/2013 11:48:51 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

Okay, “young” then. I didn’t mean year olds. I think most of us probably knew instinctively that Hitler and Mussolini were not freedom-loving people.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 11:49:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I didn’t read them as part of a class, I’d read a book or two a day normally. Still do. But our classes were much better back then (1965-72) than today. And that was in California and Florida!


16 posted on 02/17/2013 11:52:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Shadow44
The Left are masters at the use of language as a weapon of personal/class destruction, obfuscation, guile,revisionism, propaganda and intimidation. Of all the ''ism's'' fascism is the most pernicious and dangerous because it is the softer sell of all the totalitarian systems because it gives the pretense of private ownership. Yes, you can own your own business but ''we''(the state) control the production process. We tell you what to make and how to make . How to sell it, what(if any) profit you make and what you pay your workers. Yes, you can own your own home but we will tell you how you're going to live in it. What kind of light bulbs you will use, what kind of toilet you will use, how much water and heat you can use. Communism makes no pretense of that. Everything is no one's and everything belongs to the ''people''(the state). "From each according to his ability to each according to his need''. This is why communism failed in Russia because Marx said the revolution would take place in an already industrialized society.(sounds like the Occupy bunch, eh?) At the time of the revolution only about 3 per cent of the Russian economy was industrialized so the Reds had to start pretty much from nothing. That and their heavy-handed ''collectivization'' scared the bejesus out of Germans and Poles and just about everybody else, along with state atheism and made coming to power for the Nazis(fascists) fairly easy. Both systems however are the same when it comes to private ownership of thought, speech and religion in that neither systems tolerates it. This mirrors a lot of what Obama has been doing and is continuing to do. Both these systems, especially the commies sold their message and consolidated their control by creating, wait for it,,,''healthcare for all!!''.
17 posted on 02/17/2013 11:58:38 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

A government is merely a tool really. What drives a government left or right is it’s political system, it’s beliefs, it’s foundation and it’s agenda.


18 posted on 02/18/2013 12:02:10 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: GeronL

My Dads greatest political hero of all time is Francisco Franco. Followed by FDR and Barack Obama. In that order. My Dad is a fascist and proud of it.


19 posted on 02/18/2013 12:06:42 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read the “Game of the Foxes”, at ten, and was absorbed with that tome. It wasn’t required reading. My early education was due to my Mother. School was considered an additional learning tool. Regardless, you knew that the “Third Reich” were progressives. Truly amazing.


20 posted on 02/18/2013 12:07:36 AM PST by RedHeeler
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