Posted on 02/01/2013 6:13:01 PM PST by Rocky
Andrew Revkin published the email today at the NYT Dot Earth blog as a comment in that thread, so now I am free to reproduce it here where I was not last night.
Below is the comment left by Andy, quoting Annans email, bolding added:
The climate scientist James Annan sent these thoughts by email:
Well, the press release is a bit strange, because it sounds like it is talking about the Aldrin et al paper which was published some time ago, to no great fanfare. I dont know if they have a further update to that.
Anyway, there have now been several recent papers showing much the same numerous factors including: the increase in positive forcing (CO2 and the recent work on black carbon), decrease in estimated negative forcing (aerosols), combined with the stubborn refusal of the planet to warm as had been predicted over the last decade, all makes a high climate sensitivity increasingly untenable. A value (slightly) under 2 is certainly looking a whole lot more plausible than anything above 4.5.
(Excerpt) Read more at wattsupwiththat.com ...
The list of pollees in the Zickfeld paper are largely the self-same people responsible for the largely bogus analyses that Ive criticised over recent years, and which even if they were valid then, are certainly outdated now. Interestingly, one of them stated quite openly in a meeting I attended a few years ago that he deliberately lied in these sort of elicitation exercises (i.e. exaggerating the probability of high sensitivity) in order to help motivate political action.
I doubt the climate change meme will ever be discredited in my lifetime. The progressives are “all in” on this because it presents more opportunities for statist control under the guise of “saving the planet”.
Pretty much every person under 30 yrs old has been indoctrinated in it through most or all of their educational experience.
Thanks for the laugh. I love it when Real begins to show.
Thanks Rocky.
Lying is one thing, but calling the people who pointed out your lies, deniers and Nazi’s who should be exterminated, is going a bit over board.
“the stubborn refusal of the planet to warm”
Darn you, Earth! Don’t you see we’r trying to control people’s lives here? Quit interfering!
Pretty much every person under 30 yrs old has been indoctrinated in it through most or all of their educational experience.
I fear you are correct. The left has taken command of the mass media outlets and the educational systems. Since AGW serves their purposes, they will continue to push for government action to stop "climate change." But thank God for the internet, where the truth can get out there without huge financial hurdles.
In some regions, the earth even seems to be getting colder - which is very stubborn indeed. Quite defiant.
I suppose the grants will continue....someone call F' John Kerry.....he needs to know.
Coldwave killing people in Russia, Britain, and the US
And a photo:
Norilisk, Russia. Photo from bigpicture.ru
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UPDATE: over at Annans blog, now there is this new essay expounding on the issue titled: A sensitive matter, and this paragraph in it caught my eye because it speaks to a recent leak done here at WUWT:
But the point stands, that the IPCCs sensitivity estimate cannot readily be reconciled with forcing estimates and observational data. All the recent literature that approaches the question from this angle comes up with similar answers, including the papers I mentioned above. By failing to meet this problem head-on, the IPCC authors now find themselves in a bit of a pickle. I expect them to brazen it out, on the grounds that they are the experts and are quite capable of squaring the circle before breakfast if need be. But in doing so, they risk being seen as not so much summarising scientific progress, but obstructing it.
Readers may recall this now famous graph from the IPCC leak, animated and annotated by Dr. Ira Glickstein in this essay here:
Yes, the IPCC is in a bit of a pickle to say the least, since as Annan said in his comment/email to Revkin:
combined with the stubborn refusal of the planet to warm as had been predicted over the last decade, all makes a high climate sensitivity increasingly untenable.
UPDATE 2: Annan also speaks about lying as a political motivator within the IPCC, Ive repeated this extraordinary paragraph in full. Bold mine.
Note for the avoidance of any doubt I am not quoting directly from the unquotable IPCC draft, but only repeating my own comment on it. However, those who have read the second draft of Chapter 12 will realise why I previously said I thought the report was improved :-) Of course there is no guarantee as to what will remain in the final report, which for all the talk of extensive reviews, is not even seen by the proletariat, let alone opened to their comments, prior to its final publication. The paper I refer to as a small private opinion poll is of course the Zickfeld et al PNAS paper. The list of pollees in the Zickfeld paper are largely the self-same people responsible for the largely bogus analyses that Ive criticised over recent years, and which even if they were valid then, are certainly outdated now. Interestingly, one of them stated quite openly in a meeting I attended a few years ago that he deliberately lied in these sort of elicitation exercises (i.e. exaggerating the probability of high sensitivity) in order to help motivate political action. Of course, there may be others who lie in the other direction, which is why it seems bizarre that the IPCC appeared to rely so heavily on this paper to justify their choice, rather than relying on published quantitative analyses of observational data. Since the IPCC can no longer defend their old analyses in any meaningful manner, it seems they have to resort to an unsupported this is what we think, because we asked our pals. Its essentially the Lindzen strategy in reverse: having firmly wedded themselves to their politically convenient long tail of high values, their response to new evidence is little more than sticking their fingers in their ears and singing la la la I cant hear you.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear
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Peter Miller says:
The Global Warming Industrys gravy train just got another squeaky wheel.
Enough squeaks and hopefully it will seize up and fall off its tracks.
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Anthony
Your mention of Mann reminded me that these climate scientists are working most closely with research universities like PSU and Boulder that are simultaneously taking the lead on using their colleges of education and psych and sociology departments to change the focus of K-12 more to social and emotional learning and behavioral interventions that apply to all students.
Given the expressed goal to change beliefs to accept the models via schools no matter what the temperature trends, its hardly coincidental that PennState is pushing Patterning Alternative Thinking Strategies (PATHS) for All Students while Boulder is pushing Positive Behavioral Intervention Systems for All Students.
Both Boulder and Penn State are determined to change the students since they cannot control the weather or the climate. Not that they recognize the difference much anymore.
LOL!
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Annan doesnt seem to be suggesting that CS is < 2, but rather that it isn't above 4.5. I'd bet he still thinks it hovers around 3.
I'm more interested in this bit:
"Interestingly, one of them stated quite openly in a meeting I attended a few years ago that he deliberately lied in these sort of elicitation exercises (i.e. exaggerating the probability of high sensitivity) in order to help motivate political action. Of course, there may be others who lie in the other direction, which is why it seems bizarre that the IPCC appeared to rely so heavily on this paper to justify their choice, rather than relying on published quantitative analyses of observational data."
That's fraud. That's blatant fraud. Conspiracy theory my @$$.