Posted on 01/27/2013 7:25:19 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Sheriff Joe Arpaio's lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo appeared on Carl Gallups' radio show Freedom Friday. Zullo repeated that the Obama investigation never stopped and that the only thing that stopped is the media coverage around the investigation....
Zullo says; "We are so convinced... let me go out on limb... I am going to put my reputation out there that we have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt--the higher standard--beyond a reasonable doubt that this document is an utter forgery."
Zullo also says; "the evidence we have acquired, new found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery."
It's fascinating to see your detective and analytical skills hard at work. You're flat out wrong, but why would I be surprised at that?
In this later post you quote Onaka: original Certificate of Live Birth
i'm glad you cleared up the fact that there was no misquote. Don't be so quick to attack everyone by assuming they are trolls. Assuming that I and others are trolls may make you feel more correct, but it also opens you up to blind spots and rationalizations. You need to simply respond directly to the arguments or just ignore them otherwise.
Yes, I admit you were correct about that in the crap crap crap thread. But that doesn't mean your legal theories based on Onaka's non response or evasive response are automatically correct.
Prove him wrong, dipwad troll.
The blog is written by Dan Pfeifer, a know-nothing who can claim he didn’t know the BC he posted was a forgery. The HDOH can say they were only quoting Dan Pfeifer. None of the people who would know the truth about it being a forgery are willing to put THEIR NAME ON THE LEGAL GUILLOTINE for this claim. Instead they said (in effect), “Look over there! Dan Pfeifer says Obama posted his birth certificate!”
But the fact that the MDEC attorneys knew to do that ploy - knew that this was the acceptable accommodation for the HDOH, to give them an extra layer of insulation between them and outright perjury - suggests something a little more cozy between these players. Just like Stig’s newly-altered BC# being shown by CNN 2 days before Obama’s forged long-form (having Stig’s BC# on it) indicates a bit of “coziness” there on the part of some critical players...
If I were these critters I’d be getting pretty uncomfortable right now. And maybe that’s why we’ve got so many critters on these threads in the past few days...
Gangster picnic
How one 1957 meeting in upstate New York was the beginning of the end for the mob
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/books/gangster_picnic_WHeshhIs8seCc5bO9oLOKI
SNIP
What Croswell didn’t know was that inside Barbara’s farmhouse was a gathering of more than 100 mobsters, among them heads of organized crime from New York’s Five Families, as well as underbosses and made men from 13 states plus Cuba and Sicily. It was the largest-ever meeting of the most powerful players in the Mafia, a sitdown to eat some veal, drink wine and talk rackets and territories at the peak of La Cosa Nostra’s influence in America.
SNIP
The significance of Apalachin was not the roundup itself, but in how it changed the way Americans saw the mob.
Apalachin revealed that the Mafia was not merely a loose collection of rackets. The array of license plates alone at Apalachin showed it was indeed a shadowy national syndicate.
“No one had really ripped off the veil and seen that this was not just a couple of isolated hoods, but a vast national organization,” federal mob buster and Mayor Rudy Giuliani would say years later. “Apalachin gave the first demonstrative, solid evidence that this was a very large criminal conspiracy.”
Apalachin was a slap in the face to the FBI, which long insisted the Mafia was a myth. (In the 1950s, J. Edgar Hoover was preoccupied with hunting down communists. His New York field office devoted 400 agents to “subversives” and four to organized crime.) Robert F. Kennedy took up the fight both as counsel to Senate committees probing racketeering and with still greater tenacity in the ’60s as US attorney general.
And arguably it all began when the media ran wild with the Apalachin story, tickled by the what Reavill calls the “city mouse in the country” comedy of pinkie-ringed hoodlums on the run, stumbling over rocks and roots in a farming town on the banks of the Susquehanna River.
Headlines nationwide told of “Mafia Chieftans” getting “Run Out of Upstate New York Village.”
The record they have can’t be legally valid - whether by executive decree or anything else - because Onaka would not verify any birth facts. For instance, any BC they created for Obama would have had “male” for the gender, and yet Onaka would not even verify that. So there is no legally-valid BC for Obama which claims “male”.
The BC# problems are the key to understanding this, I think. There are 4 August 1961 BC#’s that don’t work with EITHER numbering method set forth by HDOh spokespersons. Either they numbered BC’s totally randomly, or the HDOH has been switching BC#’s around. The only legal reason allowable for a BC# different than the one that was originally on a BC is in the case of a new, totally fabricated BC being created at the request of law enforcement.
I think the pressure was actually from the combination of Arizona and the mid-term landslide which gave R’s a veto-proof majority in both chambers of Arizona’s legislature. Judy Burges had promised to propose an eligibility bill again in that setting, and there was a real chance that a veto by Jan Brewer would be overridden. Abercrombie was alarmed by that and in late December of 2010 he started making noise to the New York Times and LA Times that he was going to find a way to make Obama’s BC public. At the same time they began the push to present Tea Partiers as violent.
At the beginning of January 2011 Judge John Roll was assassinated in Arizona, which served a double purpose: it allowed Obama to appoint a judge who would later hear Holder’s challenge to Burges’ law if it was passed, and it gave a reason to associate “birthers” with violence, which was a prerequisite for Holder requesting a new BC for Obama’s “safety”. Everything was sailing along smoothly as intended.
But they hit a snag. Abercrombie’s appointed HDOH Director, Neal Palafox, wouldn’t commit document fraud by creating a valid fabricated BC for Obama when the law only allowed that for somebody born in Hawaii. Obama had no legally-valid HI BC and so it could not be legally presumed that he qualified to have a fabricated BC made at the request of law enforcement. They had the BC ready; I believe it was based on the same document that was inserted into the passport file in March of 2008. But the HDOH Director wouldn’t allow the deed to be done.
Abercrombie was asked by a Star-Advertiser columnist about how the investigation was going and he blustered out that there was something “actually written down in the archives”. That made it onto Drudge and Abercrombie’s friend Mike Evans called to ask him about it. Abercrombie told him he couldn’t find a BC for Obama in HI - that he had gone to the hospitals with a search warrant and there was nothing. Evans was innocent enough to think the truth is OK to say and reported about the conversation on multiple radio shows. Again, this was reported on Drudge, and people started looking more seriously at the issue. That is what eventually brought out Trump and all the pressure with that.
They became desperate to get the deed done. So they forced Palafox to resign about a week after the Evans reports. Palafox again refused to cooperate: when asked why he resigned he said he didn’t know. As a result, Abercrombie and his AG eventually had to admit that they had forced Palafox to resign and then lied about it, but wouldn’t say why. They made mob-like insinuations that it had something to do with a Medicare billing investigation, but there wasn’t any investigation. It was just a cover for the real reason.
Fuddy took over and immediately she started breaking laws. If there is one person who needs the Constitutional remedy for treason, I believe it is Loretta Fuddy. She put the fabricated BC for Obama in the file, forged a 2001 memo claiming a policy that never existed which would keep anybody from seeing original records - thereby enabling BC#’s to be changed by simple typing in a computer record rather than by forging the paper and microfilm records. Much like they changed the 1960-64 birth index by simple typing on a computer, to get Obama’s name as well as the Asing boys’ names in the birth index.
With the BC#’s switched around so that Obama’s BC had Stig Waidelich’s # and Waidelich had the BC# for a dead infant, they arranged with CNN to have Stig’s BC appear in a video stunt to be aired before Obama’s fabricated BC was to be made public. They knew the BC#’s were a problem (Chiyome Fukino had claimed that Obama’s BC was “properly numbered” to Michael Issikov shortly before so we know the BC# discrepancies were on their minds) and wanted to bombard the “birthers” with a 1-2 punch right before Corsi’s book came out and even while Trump was making the rounds. Obama was scheduled to be on Oprah’s Wednesday show and releasing the BC that same morning would allow him to gloat over the lie before the truth had a chance to get its shoes tied - which is all the ignorant masses would ever take the time to see.
They ran into a problem though. Onaka resisted. He let Fuddy see him copy the fabricated BC and put the certifying marks on it but she didn’t know that the TXE stamp was used. And afterwards he added the smiley face to the signature and LATE and ALTERED stamps. When Corley opened up the envelope and saw what she had they entered panic mode. They had to do the layers to get rid of the LATE and ALTERED stamps and had to paste in the certifying elements from what the HDOH had sent. In the process they failed to notice the TXE and smiley face, and they forgot to flatten the file.
Later on the same thing happened with other forgeries that Fuddy ordered the Vital Records Office to make, and they also resisted. They still had to try to deal with the BC# discrepancies, and they tried to make it appear as if the BC’s were alphabetized - ran a disinformation campaign to present that theory as plausible.
Fuddy required a falsified BC for Johanna Ah Nee to be made, posing as a 1995 certified copy. And it fooled Corsi because it had a real seal on it. But somebody put in overlapping digits in the BC#, and they also put in a bad imitation of Onaka’s signature, based on the Kemo BC’s signature from the same time period.
They also falsified the death certificate for Virginia Sunahara, giving a BC# that didn’t work for either of the numbering methods OR the alphabetization methods. They were running out of dead infants to use BC#’s from. And the HDOH worker deliberately put in blatant signs of forgery. They put in T. H. for “Territory of Hawaii” on that State of Hawaii death certificate, they used a different font for “FILE NO” and misaligned those words with the T. H. So there were 3 blatant signs of forgery on the same line of print as the handwritten falsified BC# that fits no numbering method.
And in sweet poetic justice, the Arizonans who had been used as an excuse to create the fabricated BC for Obama applied enough pressure that Arpaio appointed Zullo to investigate Obama’s birth certificate. When the media refused to report on the posse’s findings, the Tea Party pressured SOS Ken Bennett to get a verification. The pressure that those folks put on Bennett was strong enough that Bennett was willing to risk media ridicule just to get these people off his back. He requested the verification. And now we have 2 legal documents confirming that the White House image is a forgery and one legal document which confirms that Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid.
That’s what I believe happened. And the BC# discrepancies in those 4 BC’s put out by the HDOH itself are the key that unlocks the whole mystery.
“They had the BC ready; I believe it was based on the same document that was inserted into the passport file in March of 2008. But the HDOH Director wouldn’t allow the deed to be done.”
Sounds about right!
“When Corley opened up the envelope and saw what she had they entered panic mode. They had to do the layers to get rid of the LATE and ALTERED stamps and had to paste in the certifying elements from what the HDOH had sent. In the process they failed to notice the TXE and smiley face, and they forgot to flatten the file.”
I like it!
“And now we have 2 legal documents confirming that the White House image is a forgery and one legal document which confirms that Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid.”
My assessment as a retired CFE is that your entire scenario is consistent broadly with Zullo and Arpaio’s evidence to date and their claim that there is a criminal conspiracy in HI.
Unfortunately no “controlling authority” (court or congress) agrees so far with your characterization of the documents as actually confirming anything from an evidentiary standpoint. IMO, nothing can be confirmed regarding the originals without access to the actual originals. So far the collusion of Hawaii and Chicago has prevented that access.
As I have said all along, only conclusive additional proof such as proof that Barry was born in Kenya or a confession of the LFBC forger or an HI co-conspirator could break the protective ring around the HI DOH archive.
Zullo now claims to have such proof which could convince the greatest skeptic. I hope he is right, and I expect your analysis to be very close to the truth.
Here’s a link to a case cited by the 2011 version of the Congressional Research Service’s memo on Presidential eligibility. It involves a guy whose birth record seems somewhat similar to Obama’s, and it’s interesting to see the legal reasoning. This is the kind of analysis that needs to be done on Obama’s records, only the records themselves also need to be audited because there are so many signs of tampering, falsification, or outright fabrication. Here’s the link: http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=4&xmldoc=1961825195FSupp630_1716.xml&docbase=CSLWAR1-1950-1985&SizeDisp=7
What’s really frustrating about this whole thing is that TPM Muckraker deliberately left out the first page of Bennett’s request - the one that reveals everything - and because of that, people believe the exact opposite of the truth. That one deception has traveled the world a hundred times over, while the truth struggles to get its shoes tied. I struggle to get one person after another to even just acknowledge that there WAS another page, and that the law required Onaka to verify those things if he could.
If people knew the truth about that, they would realize that the procedure described in the link above HAS to happen for Obama. We know literally NOTHING about his birth facts. NOTHING can be legally verified at this point.
But a society that doesn’t care doesn’t have the will to live. Those who are faithful in a little will be faithful in a lot, and those who can’t be trusted with the little things can’t be trusted with the big things either. The people of America, for the most part - if we are to believe that people are as apathetic about this issue as is claimed - cannot be trusted with liberty. They can’t even be trusted with something is minute and piddly as finding out a birth date, birth place, and birth parents, so how are they ever going to manage handling liberty or justice?
I’m torn between fighting and accepting the death of the country I have loved my whole life long. I can do my utmost to lead this people to the water of truth, but there is no way I can make them drink. And unless they drink, we all die. We’ll all die of hydrophobia. The water of truth and justice is here; the country just can’t (or won’t) drink it.
But I also know that the people have been lied to. Flat-out lied to. If they were exposed to the truth maybe they would drink it. The trolls are put in places like Free Republic so that you and I will have a distorted view of what people are like. That’s the gaslighting that Zullo talks about - deliberate attempts to demoralize us and get us to doubt everything.
I work with the after-school program. Today, after frustrating FR dialog with people who wouldn’t really engage with the facts at all, I went to school and a 6th-grader who had borrowed 75 cents from me yesterday paid me back. I had even forgotten I had loaned him the money. I just about cried. I told him he had just made my day, by showing me that there is still an honest person left. He said he was glad that he was able to give me a boost but that he was very sad that something so small could be such an unexpected treat for me.
I thought, “Brian, you have no idea how fragile your hopes and dreams are, or how tired the people are who are fighting for you to have a chance at achieving them.” I didn’t say that to him. I just hugged the next person I could find, needing to remember that people really do care about each other and really do fight for each other.
That’s what Free Republic means to me too.
Your’smart eleck’ response to me is classic ‘HistorianDude’. You’ve been had.
“He said he was glad that he was able to give me a boost but that he was very sad that something so small could be such an unexpected treat for me.”
What a remarkably sensitive child!
Hang in there, Butterdezillion!
Thanks for the link to the case. I will compare it to Marguet v. Pillado, which was cited previously by the CRO and which I have posted on:
“Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya (vanity)”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2857598/posts?q=1&;page=1
The Obot legal team had years to destroy records, bribe or neutralize key people and the media, and lay impenetrable legal traps and delaying tactics which succeeded on getting Barry re-inaugurated.
Yet the truth is the truth and God is God, and they haven’t killed or silenced everyone who knows the truth (yet).
Yep. What you said.
Brian is a good kid. Most of the kids I work with are a joy to me. I told him lawyers should have to be 15 years old or under. lol
Until we have some legally-determined birth facts, we have no idea whether he is eligible. We have no idea who his parents were, for instance, or how old they were, where they came from, or where the birth happened. We literally know NOTHING. There are no facts on which to even BEGIN to sort out his eligibility. And there are issues of law, such as what happens if he was a foundling who was adopted by Stanley Ann or her parents, what if he was born before HI became a state, or what if he was foreign-born and then adopted by SAD, etc.
Without any birth facts and without looking at all the records, we don’t even have a legal STARTING PLACE, which is what the delayed BC was used for in the case I gave you the link for. Which is why all the ex parte media, biographies, Tweets, etc mean nothing legally, and why this has to be addressed in a LEGAL setting. Unfortunately, the judges are all using ex parte crap as if it had legal weight and should impact their decisions. sigh.
But God is still God, and the truth is still the truth, and we’re still plugging away. We’ll be OK. I do worry about this generation though. I fear that they will see great, great suffering as a result of all this. My children, husband, and I will probably be killed in the first round so we’ll be fine.
I have read the LIACAKOS v. KENNEDY case that you provided (thanks again).
It it is very interesting to see how meticulous the judge was in weighing historical birth location evidence in the US as compared to Greece in all respects except one: examining the meaning of natural-born citizen, which he totally fails to do.
It is clear to me that if the judge had in the record an authenticated certified WV state BC for the plaintiff (as the Obot legal team has established to be a fact in the mind of the public and courts so far), he would have accepted it and the case would have been over based on that alone. It is only because the WV BC was a delayed filed BC that he undertook more extensive analysis to see whether the prima facie presumption of a WV birth was refuted by the preponderance of all of the evidence.
Note that the judge says that as a civil matter, only a preponderance of evidence, not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is adequate.
But I don’t see this case applying to Barry because the claimed and substantiated facts are not “on point” as the lawyers say.
The Liacakos case is like WKA in that it is about whether the plaintiff was a 14A citizen at birth, not whether he was an A2 NBC at birth, IMO.
It is pretty obvious that this Liacakos character is exactly the sort of person that the founders would have wanted excluded from presidential eligibility as can be seen by his WWI draft evasion by claiming Greek citizenship when convenient (not unlike Barry likely claiming Indonesian citizenship to get foreign student benefits or Kenyan birth to enhance book sales).
The current Democrat, MSM and GOP-e interpretation of NBC would make Liacakos eligible to be POTUS! That is pretty revolting.
It applies to Barry because there is something wrong with his BC also - a reason why it is not legally valid, as revealed by Onaka. I think Maskill probably knows that, and may have been told to cover that base in his memo.
Maskill is trying to claim that a delayed birth certificate is prima facie evidence. Hawaii statute, however, specifically says that the probative value is determined WHEN THE LATE/ALTERED BC IS PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE. Until Obama actually presents his record as evidence in a legal proceeding it has NO legal value (This is contrasted with the statute which says that Certificates of Hawaiian Birth - which had a prescribed legal procedure in order to be issued - and BC’s completed within the first year after birth are PRIMA FACIA evidence). Maskill’s point from this case is overruled by Hawaii statute which governs the evidentiary value of their own legal records.
“Maskill is trying to claim that a delayed birth certificate is prima facie evidence. Hawaii statute, however, specifically says that the probative value is determined WHEN THE LATE/ALTERED BC IS PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE.”
Appearance is reality for the Obama-coddling MSM, courts and GOP-e and the appearance of the WH LFBC pdf is that it is NOT late or altered but is an image of a vital record that was signed by an attending MD and registrar in the beginning of August 1961. So far HI courts, the final controlling authority over interpreting HI state law, have protected the prima facie appearance of the pdf and also Onaka’s appearance of having authenticated it.
Yes, the actual vital record in the vault might be late or altered, but that is not the appearance of the presented (not legally released) White House pdf. As long as a halleluiah chorus of state and federal judicial, legislative and executive branch controlling authorities bow down to this golden calf of a forged image, Barry’s defense is impenetrable.
Only new verifiable facts that can be proved up by a plaintiff before the House or in federal criminal or civil court can make progress at this point, IMO.
Onaka’s legal confirmation that he cannot verify any birth facts for Obama is the only legal documentation we’ve got regarding the actual record. We’ve got lots of evidence that everything else is forged, but the only evidence we ever CAN have about the actual record is what we’ve actually got. And that would be enough to compel an audit of the records, if we could get a civil or criminal case to actual court.
That’s where the stonewalling and threats to all these people come in. That’s why this is a coup.
Excellent suggestion. How can people not see the plausibility of such a scenario?
By the way, has anyone gotten a hold of the text of the new “Steven Tyler Act” Hawaii’s celebrity privacy bill currently in the legislature? I can’t help but wonder if there may be some fine print squeezed in specifically for the purpose of protecting Obama’s privacy.
Granted, butterdezillion, this thread began as a birth certificate issue, but your comment seems surprisingly naive, not to mention, wrong. In a “low-information” society, pundits tread carefully to protect their comfortable incomes. The information has been clearly presented, yet the discussions continue. Barack Obama told everyone he was born a “subject of the British Commonwealth”, because his father was British. He told everyone he was “a native-born citizen of the US”, which is the language of the naturalization amendment, the 14th. Obama told us, perfectly clearly, that he is a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen, and that he was born British. He confronted our Constitution while campaigning, the mark of a true confidence man, asserting his violation as if there were nothing wrong. It was very clever, and depended upon few of us ever having thought about Article II Section 1, or about the different classes of citizen. Once Obama owned the justice department, and supermajorities, it was too late. Once the Republicans were comlicit, in order to pay off the old war horse McCain, it was too late.
Wong Kim Ark was a famous naturalized citizen, born, like Barack, in the US, and to domiciled Chinese parents. The application of the 14th amendment made Wong Kim a Citizen, and decidedly not a naturalized citizen. The Supreme Court Case cited Minor v. Happersett and quoted the definition, the precedent which affirmed the natural law definition, “...born on our soil to citizen parents”, from Minor v. Happerset.
Every US Senator signed his and her agreement with the statement made by Senator Patrick Leahy in April 2008 “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that senator McCain is a ``natural born Citizen’’. I recently asked Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, a former Federal judge, if he had any doubts in his mind. He id not.”
Leaving out the sophistry deployed by Senator Leahy, every Senator was aware of Senator Obama’s birth to an alien father, a father who decididly did not meet 14th Amendment author Congressman John Bingham’s clarification of who were natural born citizens, and how they differ from naturalized citizens - “ of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.” Obama does not meet the Constitutional requirements to be president, but then, he doesn't believe the Constitution is relevant, and has his regulatory czar Cass Sunstein lobbying for an alternative Bill of Rights (the title of a Sunstein book), essentially a new Constitution, now that Obama has been reelected (or declared so without any verifiable evidence for how many voted or for what their choices were).
The birth certificates may be phony, and probably are. But that is why Obama and his campaign chair, Clair McCaskill submitted SB 2678 to try to pass a law making McCain eligible. It failed to pass in February 2008. It was called “The Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act.” Since it failed McCaskill and Leahy rolled out Senate Resolution 511, getting all Senators on the record that, while there may be no legal basis, they all thought McCain, with his sterling record, a war hero, should be deemed natural born. Then they all kept quiet, lest the old issues around McCain's eligibility muddy the waters, thus protecting Obama from any scrutiny.
For those new to the facts, that is a brief summary. Next time someone tries to tell you “because it wasn't defined in the Constitution”, ask them to give you a term that is defined in the Constitution. (There is one modification to a definition necessary because were were no longer a monarchy.) That is known as a red herring. The Constitution's framers were careful and analytical. The definitions used in the Constitution needed to come, as Chief Justice Waite cited, and Madison explained, from the common language and law familiar to its framers. The definitions for words change over time. The Constitution was intended to be an eternal document, based as it was upon natural law. The definition, cited as “Dictum” in The Venus by Chief Justice Marshall, is just what was used, and necessary to the decision, by Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happerset, and has never been amended - “Born on our soil parents who were citizens.”
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