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Chicago anti-gun panelist compares crowd reciting Pledge of Allegiance to Nazis’ beer hall conduct
Legal Insurrection ^ | January 26, 2013 | Anne Sorock

Posted on 01/26/2013 11:29:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Also inaccurately accuses veteran of seeking to take over the government by force and crowd of hurling racial insults.

Lee Goodman of Stop Concealed Carry was one of the panelists at the Chicago-area anti-gun forum featured in my prior post, Veteran stands up for 2nd Amendment at Chicago anti-gun forum.

During that event Goodman and Iraq war veteran Kevin Tully had a back-and-forth discussion of the 2nd Amendment. In a video I took, which now has over 160,000 YouTube views, Tully is seen calling for an end to partisan divide in the country, and giving an impassioned defense not only of the 2nd Amendment, but of 1st Amendment rights.

After the event, Goodman wrote a blog post titled ”Overthrowing the Government“ in which he analogized the audience standing to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to Nazi beer hall conduct (emphasis added):

"The Illinois State Rifle Association had asked their people – who love their guns more than they care about other people’s lives – to go to the forum. They showed up and, on a pre-arranged signal, interrupted the moderator’s introductions by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. There’s nothing wrong with pledging allegiance, but this demonstration was designed to take control of the meeting and display their power. You may have seen something like it in movies like Cabaret and The Sound of Music, which chronicle how Nazis would intimidate patrons of beer halls and other public events by singing, saluting, scowling, taking names, and following up with beatings.

I was not there when the crowd stood for the Pledge of Allegiance, as there was a delay at the door getting in, but to compare this crowd of patriotic Americans standing for the Pledge of Allegiance to a Nazi beer hall Putsch is pretty outrageous...

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks to our country’s Founding Fathers, we retain our natural rights to defend ourself, and the Bill of Rights affirms our rights. So we are prepared and more able to defend ourselves, instead of having to suffer greatly and learning sadly about government crimes against humanity - crimes allowed because arrogant social engineers conveniently dismiss(ed) the nature of government.

Yet now come the police state fans of those hell bent to both a) infringe on our rights, as they over-react to events at Newtown, CT, and b) advance political charges against 10’s of millions of Americans who had nothing to do with that tragedy at Newtown.

Our Founding Fathers took into account, that government administration changes hands ... and the Bill of Rights would be necessary resistance against those hands declaring our rights to be “irrelevant” - as has Lee Goodman who advocates for more government power and hurls political charges as if he’s the prosecutor in a NAZI “peoples court.”

His chilling effect is aimed squarely at supporters of the Bill of Rights.

The entire Bill of Rights is in his way, thankfully.


21 posted on 01/27/2013 7:40:58 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Darnright
Good catch!

Lee Goodman:

"Ultimately, it is not only impossible to know what the Constitution was originally supposed to mean, it is irrelevant. What we need to keep in mind is what the Constitution was supposed to do. It was written to be the framework for a nation that would be governed differently from the way many other nations at the time were governed. It was meant to establish a relationship between the government apparatus and the people.

It was not meant to be the law."

Who Owns the Constitution? (according to Lee Goodman)


22 posted on 01/27/2013 7:46:39 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Darnright; 2ndDivisionVet

The Constitution is ours - it belongs to the States and to the people who are American citizens. We created it. We can amend it.

We can amend it to utterly erase the turgid and wasteful tyranny that usurpers -— *who want to relegate our Constitution to some museum of ancient legends* -— wish to now quickly and forcefully end what limitations upon their power, our Constitution still holds over them.

The careless political egos (basically The Democrat Party for Lower Taxes Sub-Division formerly known as The Republican Party) ignore that -— they can barely tolerate the fact, that it is our Constitution, built and founded upon *history* that *includes* law and legal events and precedence, but it is not exclusively limited to an understanding of only law, legal events and precedence.

Many of our Constitution’s foundations, consist of building blocks constructed in response to events in history and modeled upon the lessons learned by such events.

So basically, as you read up on law *and* history, you *get* the essentials of both construction and maintenance required to preserve the principles by which government must be, and is, limited; such principles as “original intent” and “enumeration of powers” and “human responsible agency.”

The very same principles that you would be waving in the face of tyranny, in order to compel tyranny to step back; the very same principles that you use to restrain government and government agents, from their abusing the powers which *we* authorize thru our duly elected representatives sitting in legislative bodies, duly elected thru the democratic-republican process because *we are a republic,* and thereby we set forth the list of what government and government agents can do.

So much with which, we all must be equipped to protect and defend our people, our States, our Constitution, our liberty.

As it is with the operation of many types of complex systems that are made to run constantly and reliably, we have to always be training ourselves and others, in all the maintenance tasks.

Ronald Reagan had a long time to think about all this, and he was almost always communicating some piece of it: maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.


23 posted on 01/27/2013 7:58:31 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ick those pointy headed professor types who couldn’t dig a foxhole if their lives depended on it, and who wouldn’t defend their own mother from being run over by a tank are just reprobates and control freaks.


24 posted on 01/27/2013 9:06:35 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: CitizenUSA

Please tell me you are kidding. Yes, all the Nazis knew they were bad and wrong. Why do you think so many of them had to be forced to “join”?


25 posted on 01/27/2013 9:08:14 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I’m not sure whether you’re serious or joking. Yes. There were plenty of people who voluntarily joined the Nazis. Most people have defense mechanisms so they don’t see themselves as evil. Plus, the Nazi atrocities probably weren’t obvious in the early stages. Remember that Germany had suffered terribly from hyperinflation, and the Nazis promised to make the country great. As they say, the trains started running on time.

As far as most leftists go, they must believe they’re doing good. Sure. Some of the leaders know the real deal, but there are plenty of willing dupes.


26 posted on 01/27/2013 10:03:21 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Darnright
CBS's Charles Osgood: 'Is Constitution Truly Worthy of Reverence in Which Most Americans Hold It?'

CHARLES OSGOOD, HOST: Is the U.S. Constitution truly worthy of the reverence in which most Americans hold it? A view on that from Lewis Michael Seidman, Professor of Constitutional Law at Georgetown University.

LOUIS MICHAEL SEIDMAN, PROFESSOR OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY: I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution. I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not.

. . . the Constitution also contains some provisions that are not so inspiring ... Suppose that Barack Obama really wasn't a natural-born citizen. So what?

. . . we have to start making decisions for ourselves, and stop deferring to an ancient and outdated document.


27 posted on 01/28/2013 3:26:19 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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