[ProgressingAmerica]

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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

[Little Ray]

Liberty, and Freedom are not things you are born with or possess inherently. They were earned for you by previous generations with great expenditures of blood and treasure and if you want to keep it and leave it to your children, you need to ready to do the same.

It is almost time.

[call meVeronica]

Bump for later

[Sirius Lee]

But it is the business of the state to protect all forms and to promote all modes of human association in which the moral claims of the members of society are embodied and which serve as the means of voluntary self-realization.

Unless that form and mode of human association involves Liberty and Freedom. If one is coerced by the state, then association and self-realization are not voluntary, are they?

[SeeSharp]

It followed that the basis of society and the state is shared intelligence and purpose, not force nor yet self-interest. The state is a moral organism, of which government is one organ. Only by participating in the common purpose as it works for the common good can individual human beings realize their true individualities and become truly free.

A sort of secularized perversion of Plotinus substituting the state for God..

[Prospero]

It's a tough thing, bringing Dewey (John, not Thomas) to light. He's a conversation killer, even long after his 'foci of relationships' blurred. His wave function collapsed a long time ago, and though I would bet most certified teachers could not recall his name, they weren't certified without adopting his philosophy of education.

No other teaching is allowed in this nation. Anywhere. That's how influential this brilliant lunatic turned out to be!

Sure, all of us, if we thought about it, could imagine more than one philosophy of education, and probably variations within each method. Still, to become a certified teacher in America you are required to buy into one and one only.

In the range of variations, the colors of the spectrum, of Experimentalism we find Dewey's particular flavor known today as "progressive education," which must be bought, bag and baggage, if you expect to become a teacher.

The corrupt orthodoxy of our teaching colleges, the forgotten roots of the very methods of teaching which are not simply alien to America but alien to our language, is like a haunted mansion.

No one is old enough to remember how we adopted Dewey's flavor of "progressive education" or the Prussian model of grade schooling and regimentation, and I could go on and on, like Dewey, but I'll sink back now...

Except to marvel, once again, at the scope of this disaster. It should be bulldozed and buried.

[SuziQ]

Now we know why John Dewey pushed the notion of ‘public education’ for the ‘masses’. He wanted to have a hold on the children of immigrants so they would be freed from their parents’ beliefs, specifically religious beliefs, because it is those that proclaimed humans are inherently free. This notion is in direct opposition to what Dewey and his fellow ‘progressives’ believed.