Posted on 01/18/2013 9:39:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
After California residents voted to increase taxes via Proposition 30, state revenues have decreased, and residents and businesses are leaving to avoid burdensome taxes and regulations.
However, as Forbes notes, “leaving” California “is not always easy”; the state considers anyone in the state for anything other than a temporary or transitory purpose as a resident.
The burden is on the taxpayer to show they are not a Californian. The state presumes anyone who has been in California for at least nine months is a resident.
It “usually takes 18 months” for someone to no longer be presumed a resident, which can make it difficult for people who flee the state to convince the state government they are no longer California residents...
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
“The contract stipulations of who they could re-sell the land to are the most racist things I’ve ever read.”
That’s funny, when I bought my current house in Reno, I actually had to sign a document that I would never sell, nor rent to any non-caucasian. They are regulations from the 1930’s that never got taken off the books. (those regulations are obviously no longer enforced, but you still have to sign it)
I have a sinking feeling CA will be used as some sort of gov't "lab experiment" to show the rest of the nation.
The CA legislature is doing everything they can to force private sector and legal citizens OUT..
I’ll pay my taxes for doing my time in this pit. Sure they’ll try an unconstitutional exit tax soon, but I’ll be long gone...
In organized crime, they call it a shakedown. In government, they call it paying your fair share. They’re essentially the same thing though, government and organized crime that is.
Well Prop 30 that just passed in Cali was retroactive
for the 2012 tax year
In 1952, my second-oldest brother, a California resident at the time, joined the Air Force, and was sent to Texas for training.
Got a Texas drivers license, and registered to vote in Texas; then was sent to England for most of the rest of his 20 years, except for some time in Italy & back in Texas for advanced training.
He mustered out in Texas, and bought a home there.
California then wanted 20 years of back taxes, interest, and penalties, because they still considered him a resident: since he had enlisted while a California resident, until he RETURNED to California post-service, then moved out of state AND then established residency elsewhere, he was STILL a California resident.
It took legal action, and a lot of time & headaches to straighten the mess out.
California wanted a pro-rata share of my retirement when I retired, if I changed residency, and had vesting—I did—BUT instead, I cashed it in when I took an out of state job & left California. The hit was cheaper than having them ding me every year the rest of my life.
California is a great place to be from—FAR from.
See my #47 below about my “California” USAF Texas brother & the Franchise Tax Board.
Bfl
I also had some experience in leaving California, although for me, it was easier, as I work for a big, bad, corporation (my only income), and they will report my residence-status to the state, based on the legal definition. So when I was finally able to leave, California would have had to take on my company, instead of me, to try to wring out more money.
But what drove me to leave in the first place, decades ago, even as a very young worker, was the fact that California had a field office in Las Vegas, where they hunted down retirees from California, that were getting pensions (and probably 401k/IRA disbursements), but no longer living in the state. If you lived in CA, it was clear, you would be taxed on that money - but if you worked 20 years in CA, then spent the next 10 years in another state, and retired in another state (Nevada, in that case), you worked 20 of your 30 years in CA, and CA wanted tax access to 20/30’s or two thirds of your retirement money (i.e., they expected you to pay California income tax on it, even through you did not live in CA at all). In other words, your employment in CA followed you to your death bed, anywhere in the country (and perhaps much of the world).
Their rationale was that you earned the above money tax-deferred from CA, so now they wanted to come back and retrieve that money. I understood them to be the only state in the country doing this stunt.
While I’m sure many of CA’s younger, capitalism-hating, government workers in Sacramento thought this was a really cute way to extract money from people that couldn’t vote, I doubt they considered the effect it did have on workers like myself. In my case, I saw that and concluded that I MUST LEAVE California as quickly as possible, and I did...for Texas, never to look back.
While there were many factors making me leave (cost of living, income tax, schools, crime, etc.), I was young and I knew that I could get away from all of that just by moving - but I could not get away from their tax people, that would scour the country (and maybe the world), looking for me, until my family could show them a partially decomposed body with my fingerprints still on it.
So they lost me and something on the order of $250,000 over the next several decades, in direct income taxes, sales taxes, and fees (like overpriced car registration), and probably at least as much indirectly (i.e., through money I would have otherwise spent there) - and that was all for what would be a small amount of retirement money, maybe $1,000 per year for 10 to 20 years. So they now get none of that.
I sure hope they’re proud of themselves.
“I got out of CA in 2005 (to Washington), but have been back for the past 13 months dealing with the mother-in-law’s estate.”
Best of luck there. Staying under the radar helps. You might want to take a look at the book “How to be Invisible”, you might find some good tips there. There’s an earlier edition that’s on the web for free as a PDF (with the author’s permission).
My first thought is to try to live with some roommates and pay them cash for your bedroom. I forget the rules, but it’s something like if you’re there more than 3 weeks in a row, without a 3 week break period in between, you become a resident, at least in the business world.
Same here. My house was built in 1943 and the area was called the Highland Park district. It states no people of color are allowed to live on the property or in that district.
Wow, that sounds like an interesting read. I'd love to see that. Obviously those stipulations don't apply today but I love getting the look back in time like that.
Anyone ever read old post cards just to read what someone wrote at the time?
NJ has one.
It’s much cheaper than the “stay” Tax.
Will the southern border of california have a wall ?
California has declared that people in states bordering on California benefit from their location and are therefore semi-Californians and are subject to California taxes but at a slightly reduced rate.
Yes there is! It exists in Illinois. I moved out of one town that was "changing" (and NOT for the better) and was hit by what the town called a "Real Estate Stamp Transfer Tax."
Translation: I was moving out of a town that the village board was losing control of due to changing demographics, and this "Real Estate Stamp Transfer Tax" was their way of trying to force people to stay. Many objected to having to pay it to leave.
I wanted the hell out of that town - so I paid it and left. Luckily, my timing was good. I got near top dollar for the home I sold, and less than a year later home values lost 25-35%. (1993.)
I also got hit with several village "home inspection fees" which they charged all home sellers to "sell" their home. The home inspection would ultimately find something wrong that was required to be fixed before the "Real Estate Stamp Transfer Tax" could be paid to "authorize" the sale.
Of course one of the numerous "home inspections" required by the village would find something wrong which could ONLY be fixed by an "authorized" village source. Typically someone's brother in law who was an electrician, plumber, etc..
What'd they get on me? They required I replace the original fuse box with a circuit breaker box. Cost $700 which only the inspectors brother in law could do the work.
So these "leaving town" taxes do exist. Net total for me was $1,700 between the "Real Estate Stamp Transfer Tax" and the $700 "repair" that the "village home inspection" required I do, using their "authorized" source.
The name of the village btw is Berwyn, IL. I'm glad to be the hell out of there!!!
“and Texas does not have the infrastructure to accommodate our type of entertainment industry.”
Sounds like an opportunity. Start by realizing that the entertainment industry likes money and that a low tax, non union, low litigation environment is here. Start small and build by word of mouth.
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