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To: ClearCase_guy
Evolution is an observable fact. DNA cannot stay the same one generation to the next. I can set up testable events and repeat them.

If I plate a bacteria out, blot it on ten different plates - then subject it to ten different stresses - I will get a heat resistant strain through evolution, a cold resistant strain through evolution, an antibiotic resistant strain, etc, etc.

No scientific theory can be proven. One cannot observe the Bohr model of the atom, but the Bohr model of the atom is of use. If someday it is replaced with a mores useful model - horay! Until then it is the only scientific model currently in use.

39 posted on 01/16/2013 5:50:18 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Scientists have conveniently defined Evolution as "the stuff I see" so that they can say "I win". Sorry it's not really like that.

Bacteria becoming resistant to penicillin? Not interesting.
Fruit fly developing different wings? Big yawn.

Show me a reptile becoming a mammal.

Evolution says that animals of one Class can become members of a different Class. Show me that. Go into a lab and get it up as a demonstration. But you can't do that, can you? All you have is Faith that at one point, things like that happened. Just not lately.

44 posted on 01/16/2013 6:09:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: allmendream
That is not evolution, the bacteria did not become a different species. Unless you are one of those people who use evolution for every possible fluctuation in species population. Micro-evolution is the change in population density (Kettlewells moths); macro-evolution is the change of one species to another (different DNA). All you are doing in your experiment is changing the population density, not the population.
52 posted on 01/16/2013 6:33:42 PM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: allmendream; ClearCase_guy
Evolution is an observable fact. DNA cannot stay the same one generation to the next.

Variation within species is not the kind of evolution that evolutions claim happened to account for all life on the earth.

I can set up testable events and repeat them.

And get the exact same results every time?

So just who set up the initial conditions on planet earth that allowed for live to evolve?

Setting something up in a controlled lab experiment to allow for only a certain set of responses is not the same as it happening in uncontrolled nature where anything can happen.

65 posted on 01/16/2013 7:24:56 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: allmendream

At best, evolution is merely a scientific model, albeit one that demands an enormous amount of faith. It most certainly doesn’t qualify as a fact.


75 posted on 01/16/2013 8:58:01 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: allmendream

> “If I plate a bacteria out, blot it on ten different plates - then subject it to ten different stresses - I will get a heat resistant strain through evolution, a cold resistant strain through evolution, an antibiotic resistant strain, etc, etc.”

Yes but you still have bacteria. You don’t have an amoeba and yet left-wing anti-God evolutionists will project frogs and fish from such experiments.

What you are describing is natural selection, a generational form of adaptation.

If I work out passionately with heavy weights I can metamorphose to something in a category more akin to a Mr. Universe.

If I equip a room with heavy weight lifting equipment and teach weight lifting then I am a progenitor of buff persons, a form of natural selection because they came to me of their own will influenced by external causes such as primitive urges to mate with stronger partners (from the physical perspective). But still they are humans.

The evolutionists that stretch natural selection, survival of the fittest and metamorphosis into a theory of ape to man have twisted scientific results to fit their atheistic or satanic beliefs. They are simply against God and want nothing more than to use science to further their anti-God agenda.

“CE”, “BCE”, Remove “Under God” from the Pledge, etc. and “Evolution” are all part of the same schtick of persons who think they are somehow superior and who find Christians to be an easy target to treat with their particular form of torment.

Evolution is not, has never been and will never be proven. The maximum likelihood statistical estimates used to posit evolutionary trees based on any number of observances such as genetic variation or single nucleotide polymorphisms DO NOT ADD UP to any form of proof that God never existed, that Adam was a fable, the flood never occurred or that Christ never conquered death. In fact one could say or think that Christ’s resurrection is a metamorphosis of earthly spiritual death back to spiritual immortality. And if you think things of the ‘spirit’ do not exist, you are blind. Within humanity it is all around you. Spirit and soul are just as tangible as flesh and blood, and are manifested in Good and Evil.

So yes we can go into the lab and perform genetic crossovers or gene knockout/insertion experiments and watch yeast or whatever model transform itself into more adaptable organisms of the same type. We have proved nothing in regards to God except that by concluding from such experiments that God does not exist we merely prove ourselves to be spiritual retards.

‘Spirit’ exists and is just as verifiable as your bacteria. Try doing a little ‘Science’ on the many species of ‘Spirit’ and you will end up in politics. Hopefully you will find the Bible to be your code map. Good luck or should I say God be with you and ‘select’ you to His will, blessing you with real worth rather than leaving you to continue with your effing little pissant rant against Christianity using ‘Evolution’ as your creed.


85 posted on 01/17/2013 6:51:31 AM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: allmendream

I think you need to check your work. I’ve been out of college for 30 years, and they were telling us the Bohr model was not the best. Heck, my High School Chemistry teacher told us the Bohr was not right.

From Wikipedia:

The Bohr model is a relatively primitive model of the hydrogen atom, compared to the valence shell atom. ...[The Bohr model is] considered to be an obsolete scientific theory... the Bohr model is still commonly taught to introduce students to quantum mechanics, before moving on to the more accurate, but more complex, valence shell atom.

Oh, and by the way - I’m not strictly “less educated” as has been mentioned in a previous post. In this post-modern world, people think they can make up their own “truth”.

Problem is, that many of those “truths” do not, and cannot be shown to, line up with reality. You weren’t there. I wasn’t there. NEITHER of us knows what reality was. At least “creationists” like me don’t claim we know it, we just believe what God tells us. (HE was there.)


112 posted on 01/17/2013 2:15:03 PM PST by HeadOn (With my last breath, I will pull the lever against the liberals. NEVER GIVE UP.)
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