[DesertRhino]

Of course there is a right to seceed. The constitution discusses how a state may join the union. It does not utter a word about how a state may leave. This clearly means it is a power not enumerated to the Federal government. The 10th Amendment clearly states that this is then left up to the states or to the people.

There is nowhere in the founding that America as a union is some sort of suicide pact. All the civil war “decided” was what happens when a populous industrial region fights a rural agricultural region with limited infrastructure.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Of course there is a right to seceed. The constitution discusses how a state may join the union. It does not utter a word about how a state may leave. This clearly means it is a power not enumerated to the Federal government. The 10th Amendment clearly states that this is then left up to the states or to the people. There is nowhere in the founding that America as a union is some sort of suicide pact.

I'm with you.

Freedom to seceed seems to be in keeping with the natural law, or at least not contradictory to it.

[rockrr]

Of course there is a right to seceed(sic).

There is no enumerated right of secession. However, the God-given right of rebellion is referred to in the DOL.

The constitution discusses how a state may join the union. It does not utter a word about how a state may leave. This clearly means it is a power not enumerated to the Federal government.

No it doesn't.

There is nowhere in the founding that America as a union is some sort of suicide pact.

It wasn't designed as one, but isn't it interesting how the southron slavers tried to make it into one?

All the civil war “decided” was what happens when a populous industrial region fights a rural agricultural region with limited infrastructure.

Some people are so eager to loose the blood of their fellow countrymen...

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The constitution discusses how a state may join the union. It does not utter a word about how a state may leave. This clearly means it is a power not enumerated to the Federal government.

Well, no. The supremacy clause says:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

So a state can't simply declare that it's not part of the union and federal laws don't apply to it. Moreover, there is a process by which states are admitted to the union. That a state or something claiming to represent a state could simply break all ties with the United States without the Congress having some say in the matter is unlikely.