Anti-Depressants linked to mass murders

Liberty & Such ^ | January 10, 2013 | brandon

[yoe]

[snip] (Standard Gravure shooting) First known shooting with ties to Prozac. Joseph Wesbecker kills 12, injures 9.

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

[muawiyah]

There's a test with HUNDREDS of conditions ~ the people who are employed by the Colors Foundation have to get a very high score. Their offices were in the same building as our office ~ nothing but women there, and they all had incredibly sensitive color vision.

Their front desk had a color test ~ in what seemed to me to be mostly black and white! They said there were tones and highlights in there.

Bwahahahahaaa!

DO THIS ONE: http://www.xrite.com/custom_page.aspx?PageID=77

[muawiyah]

Your genes for generating blue cones are not located on the X or Y chromosome. That means both men and women can end up with too many or not enough. I have a severe shortage of blue cones ~ and a surplus of red ~ which takes me right outside the norm for modern southern latitude humans, but probably right on the mark for all Arctic peoples ~ whether white folks or oriental types!

When I had cataract surgery some years back my night vision clicked on. That's a known phenomenon but not frequently experienced by most (99%) of people but well understood in the Far North.

As I gradually returned to normal activities I found I had to wear sunglasses to drive at night due to the incredibly bright lights along the roads and in residential districts.

The same thing happened a couple of years ago when I had far more serious surgery in one eye ~ the old night visioned kicked in 24/7 for several months. The medication administered in one eye also migrated over to the other eye through the capillaries and was I ever a mess.

Night vision flared up for a couple of days in early November this year, but it's quieted down now.

Since I know and understand these phenomena in my eyes it doesn't bother me all that much that I frequently see some really strange stuff ~

Note: if you are short blue cones you will be blue/green blind ~ simply unable to differentiate the two colors AND, worse, yellow will appear as white ~ in the center of your field of vision. You will see colors normally in the outer periphery because the rods overlap blue cones in frequency sensitivity ~ but the center will be blue blind. However, if you have plenty of rods spread evenly through the retina, and not just outside the central area, you will have fairly normal color vision most of the time EXCEPT when you are in an area lit by blue light. Then you will see everything in a sort of surreal color blend with too much white, not enough blue, and missing yellow ~ sometimes red will look black just like red/green blindness.

That's about 1/10 of 1% of the population ~ so most optometrists have never encountered it ~ but there's a term for it!

I had a first grade teacher who used to inflict severe distress on me for not differentiating between NAVY BLUE and BLACK. They are, of course, the same color! if she were still alive, knowing what i know now i'd sue the school district for torture of a young chil'.

[muawiyah]

Eva, at present we don't really have medications effective against schizophrenia ~ they only deal with the worst symptoms.

Sedatives work best since they help them relax about all the horrible things they see happening ~ only in their minds. The current idea is they are mostly acting out in a rational way against their hallucinatory voices and images, much as anyone else would.

Once the gene tests are in place we can quickly differentiate between the schizos and the brain damaged folks ~ for whatever good that will do.

[Salamander]

Hmmmm.

The ‘night vision’ thing intrigues me.

For my entire life, I’ve simply marched around in the dark yard or woods while my companions stumbled blindly.

I never gave it any thought.

Except for *total* darkness, I can see well enough to walk around without tripping.

[muawiyah]

Real simple ~ as everyone knows by now the Sa'ami have been isolated ~ for the most part ~ from other Europeans for a good 14,000 years (when the big ice sheets melted they went North). These people are not of East Asian origin, but rather of West Asian origin.

Apparently populations can adapt genetically to some seriously changed conditions fairly rapidly ~ doesn't take 100,000 years to adapt you to 45 days of starlit skies ~ or to keep you from dying just because you were trapped in a glacial creek, underwater, for 6 hours!

The night vision thing isn't remarked on all that much by any of the folks who've done medical surveys of the Sa'ami, but they did find that some tribes have an 18% incidence of dental dysplasia of 3 or more teeth ~ that's a missing or twisted tooth BTW. In this case they're born with the tendency. Also, the Skolt Sa'ami, down to a mere 5,000 people in Europe, find the odor of mutton nauseating ~ still trying to figure that one out, but that's fur shur genetic!

They have a very high incidence of blondism with a low incidence of lactose tolerance ~ reindeer milk is so thick with cream it isn't drinkable anyway ~ so they make cheese out of it ($125 per pound currently), plus there's the possibility they can both ski and skate naturally without any training at all ~ the programming is built in!

Wouldn't be eating any wheat, barley or rye either, and best to visit the doctor when you have runaway atrial arrhythmia ~ something that has some usefulness in the far North but it can kill at these latitudes. Read up on Atrial Fibrillation now just in case you need to know about it.

Polarized glasses help!

[Eva]

My son-in-law has a schizophrenic brother, who is 17 years older than he is. It’s a real problem because his father just died and the brother is left to care for the mother, who he sometimes wants to kill because she had him hospitalized one time and he blames her for allowing the doctors to pull the plug on the father last month. It’s a nightmare. The nurses and social workers at the hospital, where the father was being treated, all told him that the brother cannot be allowed to care for the mother, but the brother is 51 years old. He hears voices and holds conversations with the voices. He has tried several times to kill the mother, but was pulled off by either the father or the brother. He hasn’t been on meds for years.

I was looking up help for him and I found that there is some new drug that they inject once a month, no more daily pills. That is according to the public health service in Walnut Creek, CA, where he lives.

[muawiyah]

lest somebody think this strays too far from the article I knew an individual who had the worst sort of Scandinavian Intermittent Porphyria. There are three types ~ out of the hundreds of prophyrias ~ that stand out ~ because they are well understood and actually make some sense.

They vary in severity ~ one of them is a minor irritant ~ and may accompany hereditary atrial fibrilation. The second is more severe but can be controlled relatively easy. The third sometimes leaves its victims in a psychotic state ~ all three are gene controlled.

Typically the victim's urine is photosensitive and will turn purple in sunlight due to the high incidence of heme their kidneys excrete.

Life in the arctic is different. The animals have a very high incidence of iron compounds in their flesh. The landscape has enormous expanses of exposed iron ore. Excess iron may be removed from the body's systems simply by excreting heme molecules twisted one way rather than another. Another condition involves loss of Vitamin B12 ~ in the far North folks eat a carnivorous diet so that loss is not a problem. However, in the lush latitudes in the South it's serious, and enough loss of B12 makes you act crazy! That's what the B12 sublingual pills are for ~ they used to give folks shots for this. If anybody reading this has a blood relative using B12, they probably ought to ask the doctor to check their own levels, and if low, fill up the tank!

I keep my eyes open for intermittent porphyria being related to bizarre acts but so far I haven't seen any ~ but since most cases are in Scandinavia, the authorities probably keep them quiet lest the peeps be disturbed.

[muawiyah]

That's an expensive address ~ they have EVERYTHING there ~ but I'd bet it's more like a monthly persistent injectable sedative. He'll still hold the conversations, but nobody will get all that angry. Took seconds to find out paliperidone palmitate is the new kid on the block ~ as a persistent, long lasting anti-psychotic. The old drug only lasts 2 weeks.

I think if anyone has talked to the county sheriff he'd have told them that if this guy has ever threatened to kill someone it will probably happen, so be happy to get him into jailhouse custody ~ they'll make sure he gets his drugs, or wish he had! Sounds primitive doesn't it ~ but he's a 51 year old man up against an old lady. In jail there are some tough dudes. Maybe he has enough control over his psychotic episodes to let one of his wiser heads prevail.

Remember, if he does kill someone he will end up there anyway.

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[Windflier]

mutter mutter mutter..wind in my hair...loud pipes

Heh....alright then. You go, girl :-)

[CaptainK]

I don’t see any mass murders in that female list.

[Windflier]

I don’t see any mass murders in that female list.

Are you trying to make a salient point, or are you simply being contrary?

Off the top of my head (and in my admittedly uneducated opinion) one of the reasons you don't see as many female mass murderers, probably has a lot to do with the basic hormonal/physiological/psychological differences between men and women. On a fundamental animal level, males and females are quite different. In all species.

I would go on to theorize that these powerful mind altering drugs affect the sexes differently, as well. Fair enough?

[Salamander]

?

To whom are you going to get all the test results on your eyes?

What kind of doctor?

[Smokin' Joe]

(I have five (count ‘em) herniated discs.)

Ouch!

I have a friend who had three (central herniations, the kind that poke at the spinal cord), and it took him years to convince the doctors that the problem wasn't in his head.

After the laminectomies he still had severe back pain, and when he finally convinced them to do another MRI, they found the piece of scalpel blade in his back...but the whole time the docs pushed psych meds at him and claimed the problem was in his head.

[muawiyah]

Have you seen an OPTHAMOLOGIST?

BTW, 25 ain't bad!

There's also a bar graph that shows you where you made your most errors ~ that way you can pinpoint the deficient color system. My bad eye reported on that chart that I am having real trouble with blue, bluegreen, and yellow ~ which is good news for me because that means no change since the last time I took that test (Or one like it) two years ago.

[shibumi]

I know what you mean.

I have three popped “out” and two (last lumbar and first sacral) popped “in.” Those are the two that give me the most trouble.

[Eva]

It has been my experience that the police don’t do anything when you call them and tell them that your spouse tried to kill you. My mother’s husband tried to kill her three times and called the police. They told her that it was a he said, she said and that they couldn’t do anything, despite the bruises and marks on her neck. The truth was that they didn’t want to take financial responsibility for him. They figured if they didn’t do anything, she would have to have him committed to a care facility.

[Smokin' Joe]

Yep. My friend suffered headaches and a host of other symptoms, not the least of which was short term memory problems. He did his own research and was finally able to get the doctors (pushing uphill against worker's comp) to run a scan. Everyone looked at the X-ray and said there's nothing wrong with you--then they got him off the table he'd been stretched out on and compressed the disks again...

This has been a couple of decades ago when he was injured, and the 'back injury' was commonly used to try and scam for cash and drugs, and CT scans and MRIs were not nearly as common as today. Compound that with an injury that manifests itself when the spine is in compression and 'goes away' when the spine is in tension, and he had a heck of a time even convincing his doctors anything was wrong.

Once one writes something on the order of 'either this guy is tying to pull a fast one or he's a mental case' in the folder, you're going to have a hell of a time.

As I am sure you know, changes in CS fluid pressure from the protruding bit of disk innards popping in and out of the cord canal (compression vs. tension) can cause a wide range of neurological symptoms, not the least of which can be debilitating headaches. (I'm posting this in case someone else has suffered a compressional injury which has yet to be diagnosed, too.)

The guy went through hell, and I doubt Obamacare is going to be any better.

My heart goes out to you, FRiend, and I hope you can find a physician capable of getting you some relief.

[muawiyah]

Remember, cops don't make policies regarding public financial burdens, nor do they care. Politicians do that but you rarely see a politician coming with the cops to pick somebody up.

With neck bruises and so on seems to me your state's civil commitment procedure could have been invoked ~ that will provide a hearing, and the cops will come to pick up the target individual BEFORE the hearing.

Somebody there needs to find a lawyer real quick and get cracking on locking up a dangerous party.

You know, it's not just ordinary folks who don't know any of this ~ Mr. Lanza simply abandoned his wife and son ~ he moved out of there to another state after the divorce. But you'd better believe he knew that kid was dangerous. And, he had access to expensive lawyers ~ and he did nothing about the kid.