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(Vanity) What do you all think about leaving the GOP?
Self | 1/3/13 | Thunder Sleeps

Posted on 01/03/2013 8:56:56 PM PST by ThunderSleeps

I'm fed up with the GOP. Lackluster performance the last few years. First they somehow let a relative nobody with no real experience beat them in 2008. Then they limp through 4 years allowing him to grind the Country down. Then they run another unsuccessful campaign against a guy with absolutely nothing going for him. obama had nothing on his record for 4 years - nothing that was a positive. Yet the GOP managed to lose to him and his machine, again. Beating obama in 2012 should've been like shooting fish in a barrel. Now they (the GOP Congress critters) cave on the fiscal negotiations.


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To: RS_Rider

I hear what you’re saying, and most certainly agree.


81 posted on 01/04/2013 5:57:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Real republicans are loyal to the core principles of the republic. www.aprealrepublicans.com)
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To: ThunderSleeps
You might check to see if your state's primaries are open or closed. If closed, then as an independent, you can't participate.

Mine are open. I switched over from (R) to (I) several years ago. If nothing else, getting less junk mail and phone calls during election season, makes it worthwhile.

82 posted on 01/04/2013 6:12:37 AM PST by wbill
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To: ThunderSleeps

How does one “be in the GOP” anyway? Does that mean voting for Republicans? Giving money to the GOP? How does one not “be in the GOP”? By voting for libs?
I always vote for the most conservative candidates. If that means being “in th GOP” then I guess I’ll never leave.


83 posted on 01/04/2013 6:27:30 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: ThunderSleeps

Don’t worry about the paperwork, it is only symbolic. Politics runs on money. Don’t give a penny to the GOP...in my state that would be contributing directly to Lindsey Graham. Instead, place your money only with conservative candidates, in my case like Tim Scott who I supported as my local HR rep and now can proudly support as my senator. It is about the money, without it, the GOP will shrivel and die on the vine, replaced quietly by the likes of Senator Tim Scott. That’s how you “leave the GOP.” This is not my original idea, Jim DeMint suggested it to me...and it worked.


84 posted on 01/04/2013 6:37:30 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: Morris70

Virginia doesn’t have straight-party voting. We also don’t have party registration, but we do list candidates for office with their party affiliation. Except for some positions that are considered “non-partisan”, like school board elections, where they have become partisan anyway, just without the “R” or “D” by people’s names.


85 posted on 01/04/2013 6:50:45 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dinoparty
You are correct - our two party only political system has lead us to where we are.

The way our ruling elite have set things up there can never be any significant changes.

The Republican Party hasn't given me a candidate to proudly and actively support since Reagan - that was 30 years ago! And, if we remember correctly, Reagan was opposed by the Republican establishment. About the only thing positive that I can say about the Republican Party is their national candidates are marginally better than what the Democrats have offered.

When you get into the nuts a bolts of running the Federal Government seniority is everything from the House to Senate to the GS. This means that the legislative and bureaucracy are insulated from change.

Your Congressional leadership is chosen based on seniority - the Republican leadership are men who have spent 10, 15, 20 years being subservient to Democrats. They have been bread to be lap dogs - how can we expect them to be Guard Dogs overnight? See how long it took the “Class of 1994” to assume leadership positions. Then see who had the majority of the seats in both the House and Senate.

You don't over come years of experience and training very easily, if ever.

So, the most recent failures in Republican leadership comes as no surprise to me. I have been expecting this and worse ever since the RNC pushed Bob Dole for President in 1996 because it was “His turn”.

86 posted on 01/04/2013 7:02:43 AM PST by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Stupid move. Why would you give up the ability to vote for the most conservative candidate in primaries?


87 posted on 01/04/2013 10:12:49 AM PST by Oldhunk
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To: Bikkuri

Exactly.


88 posted on 01/04/2013 3:48:58 PM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Just wait till next year. You'll see. The Great Pumpkin "GOP" will bring all kinds of Conservatism. Lucy won't jerk the football away you'll see.

Folks the GOP is owned. Certain "BROKERS" make certain Rockefeller Republicans get early on support, media face time, and the money. I'm not gonna mention names but one stacked the party with RINO's during W's term.

The GOP can not survive without votes. That is the only means we have left to control the GOP. Otherwise Conservatives are shut out by GOP-E who owns the party. No Vote? No Office. WHIG them out of power.

No the GOP can not be fixed from within the party because it is corrupt from the top down to the state levels. It and the DEMs are one. Anyone thinking the GOP will change course from within is likely a local GOP party official such as head of the county GOP etc afraid their own little slice of political power will be taken away.

The GOP died in late January 1989 when the last Conservative POTUS left the Oval Office. It became one with the DEMs in the 1994 GOP take over when the Rats Jumped Ship into the GOP and took it over.

89 posted on 01/04/2013 9:19:30 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: TBP
I left a long time ago. The GOP has ceased to be an effective vehicle for conservative principles.

In reality they have become more and more anti-conservative in the past couple of decades with no sign that they intend to reverse course.

90 posted on 01/05/2013 9:00:35 AM PST by Ron H. (America on the fast track to oblivion.)
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To: TBP
I left a long time ago. The GOP has ceased to be an effective vehicle for conservative principles.

Concur. I left the RP in 1996 after the turncoat Republicans in the Senate voted to not conduct a trial for impeached sitting President Clinton. They had him dead to rights yet they didn't have the stomach to do their jobs and haven't had ever since.

91 posted on 02/06/2013 8:36:00 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: doorgunner69

Thank you for your service to your country brother.


92 posted on 02/06/2013 8:38:50 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: cva66snipe
I'm not gonna mention names but one stacked the party with RINO's during W's term.

I've been saying that off and on for more than 10-12 years now. I recall back when the party centrists were doing everything they could to entice as many Democrats into the R-party no matter how liberal they were or what their motives were. All the centrists (aka Rockefeller Republicans) were interested in was having a big tent party of R's now better known as RINO's.

Now the R party is paying for it, big time. I, like others around here warned many, even around here back then that this would come back to bite them in arse someday and boy howdy has it. I'd say I told them so but it would do no good. They were too busy drinking Bushs and Roves brand of compassionate conservatism koolaid to care.

93 posted on 02/06/2013 8:51:46 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: Ron H.
Thanks, but I was a 17 year old kid when I volunteered. Not like I knew what the heck I was doing, in the larger sense of things.

Proud of it now as I approach 2.3 of a century of life, but you have to be realistic of how things were. Best I can say is I refused to take the easy way out and avoid things.

No hero here, not even close.

94 posted on 02/06/2013 9:30:23 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: ThunderSleeps; All

The RINO-Way has failed to deliver.

It is sunset time for the RINOs, and as RINOs like Rove have shown, they will still snort and bellow long after sunset.

Just as Big Government is not part of the solution, but IS the problem, so too are the goals of the RINOs for those of us who want Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The present sorry state of RINO Leaders such as the Esteemed Sobber of The House John “Doormat” Boehner is encapsulated in the Congressional RINO Mantra: “ We have to find a Bipartisan Compromise that will pass both Houses, and that Obama will sign.”

This Congressional RINO Mantra is directly taken from The Buckley Rule which states: “Support the most Conservative Candidate that can win.”

IOW, the assumption of what is good or bad is not a factor for the Country or the GOP. The assumption is that one can discern what will be accepted by others is something that can be known before it is tried.

Thus, Obama or Reid can immobilize the RINO dominated US House of Representatives by just saying “NO” at a press conference to any idea that a RINO might propose.

The result is that only 3 people are needed to manage the US Federal Government: Senate, House and White House Leaders. Currently that is Reid, Boehner and Jarrett, respectively.

Hence, the RINOs have insured that the US Federal Government will not be good for America.

The RINOs have made it very easy for the Democrats to grind America to a halt.

By rejecting the RINOs’ Buckley Rule, the GOP will open the Party to Candidates that are good for the Party.

By rejecting the Congressional RINO Mantra, the US Congress will be open to political action that will override the current 3 leader ‘stall, delay and deny’ political nightmare.

It is pointless to blame the Communists and Socialists in the US Federal Government, because they are just doing what Communists and Socialists do best: regulate, Control and DESTROY!

Between now and the National Election in 2014, the only obstacle that needs to be overcome is the RINO control of the Republican Party.

GAME ON RINO Karl “Turd Blossom” Rove, GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Proudly fly your Gadsden flag, and attend TO TAKE OVER your local RINO Doormat Party Meetings!

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Ponder this:

IMHO , the worst “Goal” assumption is contained in the “Buckley Rule:” Support the most Conservative Candidate WHO CAN WIN.

The Gop-Elite IN the Party chose Dole, McCain and Romney. All lost, and all were not clear about what it was that they were trying to CONSERVE.

If one is going to play Basketball, then there had better be a lot of air in the ball, AND NO LIBERAL PATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The enlarged letters are for effect: People IN the Party are usually wrong about how people OUTSIDE the Party will vote.

Dole, McCain and Romney were supported by the powers that be in the GOP because they COULD win! You bet! When pigs fly!

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The second point is the “Me Too” mentality of the GOP Elites who want to compete for the Democrats pool of Big Government voters.

Hence, the GOP has moved so far to the left, that the bulk of the GOP is far to the left of JFK Democrats of 50 + years ago.

Without clear distinctions, the GOP will continue to be the fat kid “Big Tent” wanna-be Democrat that nobody will play with in the Schoolyard playground called The US Federal Government.
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The last point is the “Inertia of Stupidity.”

Ignorance is when one has not learned something.

Stupidity is when one is mentally unable to learn something.

The GOP Elite try to lose big every 4 years - - - maybe they have learned that losing is a lot easier than winning?

If so, then WE are stupid for not learning that the Sun has already set on the RINO GOP Elite, the Buckley Rule and the RINO Congressional Mantra.


95 posted on 02/06/2013 9:36:22 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: doorgunner69
No hero here, not even close.

Don't be too modest. At least you didn't high tail it to Canada or Oxford or other parts unknown like many back in our day. You served.

96 posted on 02/06/2013 9:50:38 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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