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To: butterdezillion
Scroll to the bottom of your link. It says: "1. A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barrack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

What does Klayman actually want? I can't decipher his legaleze, but it seems like he is ignoring the letter of verification (that the birth certificate exists in HI) and complaining that the WH copy is legally non-valid. The argument doesn't make sense.

94 posted on 01/04/2013 5:54:40 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

“Indicating” just means that it’s claimed on the birth certificate, which we also know because Onaka verified that the information on the White House image is also on the BC at the HDOH (that’s what “matching” is talking about, which is also the language Onaka was willing to use for requestors MDEC and KS SOS Kris Kobach). But having the claim on a record is not enough to establish the truth of the claims; the record they’re on has to also be LEGALLY VALID.

Bennett submitted for verification the following birth facts: male, Aug 4, 1961, Honolulu, Oahu, Stanley Ann Dunham, and Barack Hussein Obama. By law Onaka has to verify every one of those facts if they are claimed on a legally valid record.

The only one he even mentions is Honolulu, and that was only to say that the BC he verifies as existing CLAIMS Honolulu as the place of birth. If he had been verifying that Honolulu really IS the place of birth he would also have to verify that Oahu is the island of birth (and Aug 4, 1961 is the DOB, male is the gender, Stanley Ann Dunham is the mother, and Barack Hussein Obama is the father). He doesn’t, so it is clear that he is NOT verifying Honolulu as the place of birth - only that it is CLAIMED on their record, which is all he verifies about the other stuff on Bennett’s 2nd page of requests (the letter, rather than the actual application).

The only lawful reason for Onaka to not verify the facts claimed on Obama’s record is if that record is non-valid (late and/or altered), because late and/or altered records are declared by Hawaii law to be worthless. They have no probative (legal evidentiary) value of their own. Only a judge or court can decide whether those claims are true.

By refusing to verify the birth facts submitted for verification as the true birth facts, Onaka is revealing that Obama’s BC is late and/or altered and only a judge or court can determine what the true facts of Obama’s birth are, when the BC is submitted as evidence to them and they can get access to all the evidence and apply the Federal Rules of Evidence to Obama’s evidence.

Does that help make sense of this?


99 posted on 01/04/2013 6:10:28 AM PST by butterdezillion
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