Posted on 01/03/2013 12:29:36 PM PST by butterdezillion
That's what I thought as soon as I read the letter and reply: that the information on the request form is just to identify the document. (Remember, the form is designed to ask for a copy of the original document, not for verification of its contents.) It may be that if Bennett hadn't included a separate list of items in the letter, Onaka wouldn't have broken out any info at all and just confirmed the birth record. Or, it may be that if Bennett hadn't included the COLB, Onaka would have verified the information on the request form as well, but since that info is all on the COLB and he verified that, he didn't bother to break out the info on the form. We don't know.
The leap from "he didn't do what we or Bennett expected" to "he wasn't able to do what we expected because the record isn't valid" is unwarranted, if you ask me.
Show me the “correct form” that Bennett had to submit after the letter and form he submitted on March 30, 2012.
Show me the communications you are talking about.
Where does the statute say that?
With the word “other.”
“Any other information,” meaning any other information you request besides the existence of a verification.
I know, I’m a troll and I’m busted. Message received loud and clear. Y’all have made that perfectly clear. (P.S. A troll wouldn’t give you private contact information or help you define transactional database functions so you could craft a law for Nebraska, but I digress.)
You have a lot of time, effort, tears, and frustration invested in your theories. So I get your anger or disgust. Ignore everything I said and carry on. I’ll leave you alone.
Most Congress commies don’t want to hear from everyone; now that pretty much includes their constituents. The public has a right to contact and be heard any person in Congress they wish. Now they can say they only heard from a few so they don’t have to act.
Where did Onaka get “Honolulu” from?
And how can the HDOH say that they will verify ANY information submitted for verification and then not tell everybody that the information submitted on the form itself doesn’t count?
Bennett clearly stated in his March 30, 2012 letter that he submitted a verification form and that in addition to the items to be verified on the form (which means he is SUBMITTING THOSE ITEMS FOR VERIFICATION - can’t just be the existence of the BC because he uses the plural word “items”), he wants additional items to be verified.
Show me where the policy is stated that items submitted for verification on the application form don’t count. If it wasn’t a published policy before March 30, 2012 then it was not in effect for Bennett’s verification, according to Hawaii statutes.
Give me some time to look it up. I haven’t read it since you and I last spoke on FR. So that’s awhile. I’ll post it and then leave. I won’t convince you and I don’t want to unnecessarily frustrate you with further back & forth. You’re a nice lady. You’ve always been polite to me.
Keep sending and demand all of Congress will be heard from everyone. It’s just a trick they can use saying they have heard from only a few person. This is also another way they keep the voter from having a voice.
“Any other” in the statute refers to what they will verify BESIDES just the existence of the record. Bennett made it clear that he requested the “items” in the application form itself to be verified. He SUBMITTED those items for verification.
According to the statute the HDOH SHALL provide a verification of those items. They couldn’t.
I’m waiting to see the “correct” forms that Bennett provided after March 30, 2012, when he submitted the form and the letter requesting the items to be verified IN ADDITION TO the items he submitted in the form.
A troll would do those things if they wanted to get my trust and/or to provide disinformation to me because of that trust. That’s standard.
Whether you’re a troll or not, the timing of your gang-up with these others seems a little too “convenient”. And the information you’re giving me is either from the same HDOH that has altered the 1960-64 birth index to include non-valid records. You don’t have to know they’re lying to you in order for them to convey disinformation through you.
And what they did or didn’t say to you (who exactly did you speak with, anyway?) IS disinformation. Without a published policy saying that a person CAN’T submit “other information” to be verified on the application itself, they have to verify WHATEVER is requested to be verified, and Bennett CLEARLY asked for the claims on the application form to be verified.
But it’s good to know that this issue has made it to the HDOH radar and they have crafted their ill-conceived response. I’ve got the screenshots of the page where they would have to state a policy of additional requests having to be on a paper other than the request form, and it’s not there. They can forge all the 2001 “memos” they want, but if the policy was not PUBLISHED (made public) by March 30, 2012, they’re fresh outta luck.
So they can’t even certify who his real parents are? If one state can not verify him; then he can not be sworn in. Stay in Hawaii Obamas.
Until this is straightened out Obama should not take the oath of office.
We all know Barack Obama is a liar. He tells the public what he wants them to believe to serve his purpose. Think about it. Being born in Hawaii doesn’t make him special; being born in Kenya does.
I believe that early in his career, he spread the horsesh*t about being born in Kenya because that made him seem special, perhaps even got him financial assistance. That’s what he told his publisher who wrote that short biographical blurb about his being born in Kenya. Then he decided to run to for POTUS and the Kenya lie became a detriment to his career. So he and his thugs cleaned up his trail.
Hawaii, IMO, has confirmed Obama has a COLB there. I think he was and that makes him a liar, again. Oh, and not very special after all.
He’s just a half African, half White male raised by his grandparents in suburban Hawaii who attended a private school and lived a privileged life ... exactly the image he doesn’t want his people to see because they wouldn’t have accepted him. So he sells the raised-by-a-single-mom, Chicago-community-organizer horsesh*t.
(That doesn’t make him NBC though.)
Regardless of who Obama’s real father is; it is set up to give Obama a way out of it.
Bump for later read ......................................................... FRegards
Honolulu Greets the Posse
Written by: Diana West
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2198/Honolulu-Greets-the-Posse.aspx
This week's verboten syndicated column looks at how Hawaiian islanders greeted the Cold Case Posse. Hint: It wasn't like in the picture.
I’m sorry to report that the substantive findings of the latest press conference held by Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse will not be appearing on Fox, on CNN or in the Washington Post. They will not be appearing in the media, period. I guess the nation’s press corps is too busy submitting its work to Obama and Romney campaign officials for “quote approval” – as the New York Times recently confessed in an outbreak of candor – to report on anything.
To remain a free people, a new kind of do-it-yourself journalism is in order. For starters, I recommend every American seek out and watch the two Cold Case Posse press conferences on YouTube. You report and you decide. It’s better that way.
The bottom line is this: The posse investigation has amassed extensive computer forensics and other evidence that the Barack Obama birth certificate posted on the White House website is a forgery. Again, I urge readers to review the case for themselves. What I want to focus on today is something at least as bad as document fraud. I want to focus on document fraud cover-up.
Listening to posse lead investigator Mike Zullo describe the investigation’s itinerary during the posse’s recent trip to Hawaii, a picture of statewide stonewalling emerges. Dead ends guarded by hunkered-down public officials. The same non-answers to the simplest questions. Canned responses. If CNN, Chris Matthews, Obama press secretary Jay Carney, Rachel Maddow, the Huffington Post and the Los Angeles Times all didn’t know so much better, a neutral observer might say it sounded like a conspiracy – an agreement between at least two people to do something shifty.
Kapiolani Medical Center was the first stop for Zullo and Detective Brian Mackiewicz. That’s where the birth certificate says Obama was born. Why visit? A retired doctor told the posse that when he was a medical resident at Kapiolani in 1970, it was common practice for a nurse to record by hand the name of every expectant mother as she entered the delivery room. After the register was filled, it was filed in the hospital library archives. Those archives are open to the public – with permission from Kapiolani.
One thing Zullo makes shockingly clear in his recent presentation is the legal flimsiness of a Hawaiian birth certificate under the best of circumstances. A Hawaiian birth certificate is evidence only of information on file with the state; it is not evidence that this information is true. Hawaiian law spells this out by categorizing its state-issued birth certificates as “prima facie” evidence. This makes corroborating evidence – such as infant vaccine records, scene-setting baby pictures or, in this particular case, a delivery-room entry log – essential. There is zero such corroborating evidence in our Obama files. All we have is that posse-disputed online image floating before our eyes.
Now, imagine the laurels that would come to the hospital librarian who brandished a maternity log with Stanley Ann Dunham’s name inscribed in 1961 in the investigators’ faces – the follow-up high-fives on “Good Morning America,” the round of applause on David Letterman’s “Late Show,” maybe even a thank-you note from Barack and Michelle for finally putting Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse on ice.
Instead, the reply to the posse’s request from Kapiolani was: The hospital wasn’t in the business of investigating birth certificates but was in the business of saving lives. (How unrehearsed.) “They all but threw us out,” Zullo recalled.
It was a similar story at the Hawaii Department of Health, where two uniformed policemen were called in after the investigators showed their credentials and asked to speak to state registrar Alvin Onaka. (The cops looked quite irritated at having been called, noted Zullo.) “Mr. Onaka doesn’t speak to the public,” the investigators were told. Translation: Mr. Onaka was hiding in his office. Fortunately, Deputy Attorney General Jill Nagamine deigned to give the posse 15 minutes.
Were the two certified copies of the birth certificate that Obama’s personal attorney is said to have brought back to Washington identical to the image posted at the White House website? Nagamine wouldn’t answer the question, repeatedly invoking a Hawaiian statute she said prevented her from talking about the copy of the White House birth certificate Zullo had with him.
He tried a different tack. Say, for instance, he had to release his driver’s license, Zullo said. And that Nagamine scanned his license into a computer. Before the public could view it, however, she changed or added information. “Is that still my driver’s license?” he asked Nagamine.
Hawaii’s deputy attorney general replied: “But you still have a driver’s license.”
No, you don’t. You have a forgery.
So what do we have in Hawaii – and in the White House?
I’m a super-secret spy. You don’t want to know what I know. You don’t want to see what I’ve seen.
Trust me!
Then shut up about what you’ve seen, if you can’t document it. If it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, then why would you not Freepmail me and tell me how I can see it so I can verify it to somebody who can do something about it?
Like I said, the form is not a verification form, it's a repurposed copy request form. Usually, people will be using it to get a copy of a record, and the information on the request form will just be used to identify the record. Bennett may have wanted HDOH to verify the info on the request form, but they're probably not in the habit of doing so. Maybe they even should have done so in this case. But that's a long way from concluding that they intentionally didn't do so because the info was impossible to verify.
The law says they MUST (”shall”, which is imperative in a legal sense) provide a verification of any information submitted for verification.
The legal presumption of regularity is that routine requests are handled in accordance with the law.
At the very best - if what you’re claiming is true, against everything in the statute and in the published statements by the HDOh at the time of the request - then this verification is worthless. But there is no evidence that shows he violated the law OR the policy stated on the HDOH website at the time: that ALL information submitted for verification shall/will be verified.
Onaka would not verify to KS Kris Kobach that the information contained in the White House image “is identical to” the information contained in the file. If providing any verification at all is verification of every submitted fact, then Onaka self-admittedly could not issue any verification at all, because he has admitted that some information that was submitted to him (some information in the White House image) is not “identical to” the information in the record.
This was not your run-of-the-mill request either. Bennett and the HDOH and AG’s office were going back and forth for months over whether he could get a verification at all. The AG’s office was involved so there was scrutiny over every legal jot and tiddle. You can’t expect me or anybody else to believe that Onaka just casually screwed up the legalities because the request was so “routine”.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.