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butterdezillion

Posted on 01/03/2013 12:29:36 PM PST by butterdezillion

I just found out that all the faxes I sent to the Republican members of Congress have been referred to just the 3 Congress-critters who represent me. I need everybody to contact your own Congress members and let them know that Hawaii registrar Alvin Onaka has certified to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is not legally valid.

Bennett asked Onaka to verify, among other things, that Obama, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961, in Honolulu on Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. According to Hawaii law, Onaka has to verify any submitted information if he can certify that the birth actually happened that way. And though Onaka verified that the claims on the White House image are claimed on the record they've got, he did not verify the truth of any of those facts. The only lawful reason for that is if the record they have is not legally valid.

You can see the documentation for all this at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf

Two other verifications (to MDEC and to KS SOS Kris Kobach) are also consistent with a non-valid record. Onaka has been willing to say that the claims that are actually on the White House image "match" the claims on the record but is NOT willing to say that the information is "identical" or that the White House image is a "true and accurate representation of the original record on file". His refusal to verify what he was specifically asked is his confirmation that those things are NOT true. It is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original record and the information in it is NOT identical to the information in the real record. IOW, the White House image is a forgery.

Which is what affidavits by Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Posse commander, Mike Zullo, also say.

This fits with the 1960-64 birth index being altered to include non-valid records (which I've proven in an affidavit filed for a NE criminal case). And a bunch of other evidence too.

The long and short of it is this: Hawaii has officially certified that they cannot verify Obama's date of birth, city and island of birth, and parents' names. Those are critical to eligibility. With no legally-established birth facts, there is nobody who can certify that Obama is eligible, and every Official Certification of Nomination that Bob Bauer sent to the state SOS's to get Obama on the ballot are fraudulent at best.

IOW, every electoral vote that Obama got was the result of legally-acknowledged (by Hawaii) fraud.

We need the members of Congress to know that every electoral vote for Obama that they accept tomorrow is a vote to accept known criminal behavior.

Please help me get this word out to everybody, since the "machine" will only let me contact 3 people, and I've already done that. We need one Senator and one Representative to object to all the known-fraudulent electoral votes for Barack Obama.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: afterbirfturds; arpaio; birftards; birthcertificate; birtherrosettastone; certifigate; coldcaseposse; joearpaio; mikezullo; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: MestaMachine

Thanks, MM. I definitely share your frustration regarding the criminal end of things. SO MANY crimes have been committed, and while the D’s falsely make all kinds of criminal charges for political purposes, conservatives are so afraid of “politicizing” law enforcement that they aren’t willing to prosecute crimes involving politicians, even where there is slam-dunk evidence.

The result is that politicians have a license to kill. Literally. And that will be the death of this country if we don’t do something about it, because absolute control corrupts absolutely. The officer I made the criminal report to agreed wholeheartedly with that sentiment. Yet when told by his chief that he couldn’t investigate this fraud - and that he could not even forward it to the state AG for the state AG to investigate it - he obeyed orders. If it was left up to the Lincoln Police Department this issue would have died with me still thinking they were taking care of it.

That’s the kind of crap that’s going on in law enforcement. It stinks to high heaven, and we HAVE to do something about it. Right now I think only the Lord can accomplish justice here, and I’m begging Him to save this country from itself.


121 posted on 01/04/2013 7:41:31 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; MestaMachine; Jim Robinson; Travis McGee; Nachum; F15Eagle; SunkenCiv; Mears; ...
.

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman."
-The Crisis by Thomas Paine
December 23, 1776

Thanks for your patience; one more ping....

To: butterdezillion

The entire thing is a CRIMINAL MATTER. It won’t be solved by bringing civil suits. Someone needs to issue a VALID WARRANT and no one has done that. It’s the only way anyone will pry those records out of HDOH.

I admire your tenacity and I know you have worked long and hard to see this through, but you are going to hit a dead end unless there is a criminal complaint followed by a warrant...and no one, including Arpaio has even come close.

In fact when Arpaio started this Cold Case Posse, he made very clear that it was NOT obama he was investigating or accusing. Go back and you will see for yourself that he reiterated that on more than one occasion.

If he was serious about getting to the bottom of this, as a Sheriff, he has the power to issue a warrant which he never did.

101 posted on Friday, January 04, 2013 7:23:18 AM by MestaMachine

Then,

To: MestaMachine

It is both a criminal matter and a Constitutional matter.

I do have a criminal complaint filed in Nebraska.

Does no good to file it against Obama right now because nobody could arrest him anyway, but it is against DNC Counsel Bob Bauer, for suborning perjury and committing election fraud by submitting a fraudulent Official Certification of Nomination to get Obama on the Nebraska ballot -

- since he was informed in advance by attorney Larry Klayman that Onaka had confirmed the non-validity of Obama’s HI BC and thus nobody can LAWFULLY swear that Obama is qualified to be POTUS.

But whether Obama is a criminal or not (and the evidence says he is), he CANNOT qualify to be President without any legally-established birth facts, and that is what Congress needs to deal with.

105 posted on Friday, January 04, 2013 7:36:13 AM by butterdezillion

This is about the last roadblock to Obama’s total takeover of everything in this country. He’s already said that he plans to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and border within the next month.

1 posted on Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:29:40 PM by butterdezillion

122 posted on 01/04/2013 7:42:39 AM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: LucyT
This is about the last roadblock to Obama's total takeover of everything in this country. He's already said that he plans to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and border within the next month.

Can't let that slide. The BC controversy is nothing more than a pointless distraction. Butterdezillions failure to answer the simplest possible question about the BC# will result in nobody in Congress or anywhere else taking the claim seriously in light of the facts which are that a COLB was mailed from HI to the WH, and that the information on the COLB was officially verified by Onaka. Onaka did not verify some pertinent information (date and parents' names) but only because he was not asked to verify those (see Bennett's letter in the provided link). As I said many years ago:

In the end however, the postings of Polarik are just spam. There were always brouhahas like this on FR and always will be. We survived them before and can survive again. The fact that Polarik's defenders jump on any reasonable poster asking a few skeptical questions is not going to make a big difference to those posters.

I would not presume that you are helping stop Obama's vendetta against the 2A or any of our other rights. The best I can say is you aren't hurting. Maybe somebody will actually get somewhere with this, and then I will be able to (happily) turn in my forum cop badge and celebrate the victory. But I am not holding my breath.

123 posted on 01/04/2013 8:23:13 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: butterdezillion
Even democrats will one day answer to God,

God forgives ALL sins remember.....they won't answer to anything.....

124 posted on 01/04/2013 8:30:16 AM PST by Fawn (I don't think I care what happens anymore...it's over.)
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To: butterdezillion; palmer

OK here’s the post from the link:

The HDOH Has Juggled BC#’s for at Least 4 1961 BC’s

BC Number Manipulation Analysis

If Okubo’s numbering method was in effect, Obama’s BC# almost certainly originally belonged to Virginia Sunahara.

If Verna K L Lee’s numbering method was in effect, Obama was almost certainly given the BC# that originally belonged to Stig Waidelich, and the HDOH has juggled BC#’s down the line in order to hide that fact – including Virginia’s.

There will be more on this”

My take is, is that since Hawaii has put a roadblock on people obtaining lfbc’s from that number sequence, our only hope is to find some family genealogists that were able to get the docs before the door was slammed shut. Anybody find anything going that route?

Amy other way to get ahold of the docs and prove the numbers were messed with by Hawaii archivists?

Anybody tried to contact Stig Waidelich or his family/descendants?


125 posted on 01/04/2013 8:36:38 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks, that link has a simple answer to the simple question I asked. Answer: yes, there are out of sequence numbers. I’ll read and ask more questions later.


126 posted on 01/04/2013 8:50:12 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: hope
LOL! I've been working so hard that I missed the conflict and have no idea who's right -- BUT that is one of the more well-crafted and elegant "put-downs" I've seen in many a month!

Nicely Done! '-)

127 posted on 01/04/2013 8:50:49 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: butterdezillion

The GOP has invited everyone to communicate their concerns about this eligibility issue to the GOP Chairman. Anyone can request the help of the Chairman to seek the desired action on this urgent eligibility issue. Communications can be addressed to:

Chairman Reince Priebus
Republican National Committee (RNC)
310 First Street, SE Washington, DC 20003
202-863-8500
FAX 202-863-8820
E-mail info@gop.com

Although members of Congress may not respond to the communications of the GOP Chariman and his staff, they said they will make the effort.


128 posted on 01/04/2013 9:03:03 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: palmer

You are not processing anything I’ve said. The information/documentation is there for open eyes; at this point your behavior is trollish and I will not respond to it.


129 posted on 01/04/2013 9:06:08 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Fawn

Not unrepented sin. They WILL answer for this.


130 posted on 01/04/2013 9:07:53 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: WildHighlander57

Stig’s mother told CNN that he doesn’t have an original BC. Surely in his 50 years of life he had to use one at some point before now. Whether anybody can get access to it is another question.

Sunahara was buried in a national veteran’s cemetery (Punchbowl Cemetery; I forget the official name for it) before her remains were moved to a cemetery in Mililani. So at one point there was probably a birth certificate for her in the VA’s records, but when I checked with the VA it was no longer there.

I tried finding out who it was who said they had found BC’s for other kindergarten students except Obama, but wasn’t able to figure out who made that claim so I could try to find out more and see whether those records do exist. As Phil Jacobsen found out when dealing with the Passport Office, they are trying to claim that they’ve gotten rid of birth certificate copies submitted with passport applications so I don’t know whether they destroyed those records or not. For sure they would hide them.

I don’t know where else there could be copies in existence, and who could have access to them.


131 posted on 01/04/2013 9:14:52 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: palmer; butterdezillion

This is my theory which Butterdezillion disagrees with:

According to the National Center for Health Statistics there were 15578 births in Hawaii in 1961. They also list the number of births per month. Assuming the first number issued in January, 1961 was 151 61 00001 and we add the monthly totals, than the last number issued in July, 1961 is 151 61 09942. The first child in August would have number 151 61 09943 and the last child would have 151 61 11402.

Here are the BCs we know so far:

A(rest of name redacted)– 09945 – DOB: August 23rd, Accepted/Filed Aug. 24th
Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – DOB: August 5th, Accepted/Filed Aug. 11th
Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638 – DOB: August 5th, Accepted/Filed Aug. 11th
Obama, Barack – 10641 – DOB: August 4th, Accepted/Filed Aug. 8th
Waidelich, Stig – 10920 – DOB: August 5th/Accepted/Filed Aug. 8th

Sunahara, Virginia - 11080 - DOB: August 4th, Accepted/Filed Aug. 10th

So the known certificate numbers fall within the projected range of cert numbers for August, 1961.

Zullo in the August interviews said that Vern Lee told him the certificates were collected on a monthly basis and than separated by geographic location and numbered.

Of the 6 BCs from August, 1961 all but Sunahara’s were issued at Kapiolani Hospital. Sunahara was born at Wahiawa General.

So was she in a different geographic group? Would a birth at Wahiawa General be in the same geographical area as Kapiolani?

They are about 20 miles apart and Wahiawa General is outside the Honolulu city limits.

For Federal geographical coding Honolulu County was divided into “Honolulu” and “Balance of County”.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/Inman_IIa.pdf

So Virgina’s BC would not be in with the Kapiolani kids and she would not necessarily have a number only three away from the Nordyke’s.

Also if you look at the 5 bcs from Kapiolani, they are in both numerical order and alphabetical (by last name) order.

So were the BCs collected each month, separated into geographic groups and alphabetized within those groups?

There is a possible verification of this geographic/alphabetic numbering scheme.

If we look at Edith Coates 6/15/1962 BC and the 1962 Natality report, there were 7400 births by the end of May and 8842 by the end of June (1442 births in June, 62). Edith’s cert # is 151 62 08498. That is a high number Because it would mean between June 1st and June 15th there were 1098 births and only 344 births from June 16th to June 30th. Edith was born at the same hospital as Virgina Sunahara. So if a month’s worth of Kapiolani Hospital births were numbered ahead of her’s, you would expect that her BC would have an unusually high cert. number just like Virginia Sunahara.

Butterdezillion and I also disagree about the certified verifications. Dr. Onaka on all three verifications verifies that the information on the White House pdf matches the information on the original BC on file at the DOH. So we know that the original BC has the date of August 4th, 1961 in box 5a and it has “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” in box 6c. Under what scenario could the grandparents or parents go into the DOH office and register a birth at Kapiolani? Or a year later go in and convince the DOH that their son or grandson was born at Kapiolani and the birth was not registered at that time? Or go in 20 years later and convince the DOH to amend the BC so Kapiolani was now listed as the hospital of record?

The only logical answer is that “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” was entered on the BC in August, 1961.


132 posted on 01/04/2013 9:15:26 AM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: WhiskeyX

I just called them. They won’t do a darn thing and I will switch my party membership back to Independent.


133 posted on 01/04/2013 9:23:28 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Who did you speak with?


134 posted on 01/04/2013 9:27:14 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: 4Zoltan

Onaka would not confirm the critical birth facts for Obama even though he is required by law to verify everything he can and he verified that the birth facts submitted to him are on the BC at the HDOH. The only lawful reason for his failure to verify those facts is if the BC itself is non-valid.

That says it all.


135 posted on 01/04/2013 9:28:09 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: WhiskeyX

The legal department of the RNC.

Did the RNC say somewhere that they would help deal with this issue? This gal said they haven’t ever said that they would help with this issue. She said they can’t and don’t contact GOP members about Congressional issues. They’re just fund-raisers for elections.


136 posted on 01/04/2013 9:29:59 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: WhiskeyX

I should have said she said they don’t talk to GOP CONGRESS members about legislative issues.


137 posted on 01/04/2013 9:31:07 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: WhiskeyX

I should have said she said they don’t talk to GOP CONGRESS members about legislative issues.


138 posted on 01/04/2013 9:31:26 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“His refusal to verify what he was specifically asked is his confirmation that those things are NOT true.”

You aren’t very good at this game.


139 posted on 01/04/2013 9:34:30 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: butterdezillion

Even though there is a divorce decree, no one has found a marriage license for Stanley Ann Dunham and Barrack Obama Sr., so it’s likely that there were not married at the time of baby’s birth. In Hawaii “the child or children or the parents thereof may petition the department of health to issue a NEW ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH”.

So it is possible that there may be more than one Obama “ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH”. Is it significant that Barrack Obama could have changed his name from what was initially given to him at birth and “A NEW ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH” is issued by the state of Hawaii?

When Onaka verified the information Obma’s original birth certificate was he referring to the “ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH” that was issued at the time of his actual birth OR was he referring to “A NEW ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH” issued by Hawaii DOH at the request of Obama or his parents to change his name? Was the surname of the child born to Stanley Ann Dunham originally Dunham or Obama? Or something else?

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0021.htm

§338-21 Children born to parents not married to each other.
(a) All children born to parents not married to each other, irrespective of the marriage of either natural parent to another, .......

(b) The evidence upon which the NEW ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE is made, and the SUPERSEDED ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE shall be sealed and filed and may be opened only upon order of a court of record.

(c) If the child’s natural parents marry each other and desire to change the child’s name, the child’s name may be changed and a NEW ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH prepared.


140 posted on 01/04/2013 9:41:19 AM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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