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To: WildHighlander57
Something changed, I have no idea what...but when Mr and Mrs Soetoro lodged a joint tax return in Hawaii, they only had ONE child:


99 posted on 12/12/2012 9:02:18 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks; WildHighlander57

“Something changed, I have no idea what...but when Mr and Mrs Soetoro lodged a joint tax return in Hawaii, they only had ONE child”

You need to get your memory checked out! Below is what I posted when you and SvenMagnussen posted this tax return properly claiming only one legal dependent for tax purposes, NOT only one child.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2908395/replies?c=281

To: Fred Nerks; Brown Deer; SvenMagnussen; SatinDoll; little jeremiah; LucyT; hoosiermama

You don’t need to be a retired CPA like me to know that a list of eligible dependent children on a tax return is not in any way a list of children in your legal custody, either sole or shared. All you need is an ex-wife to know that.
I don’t know the 1973 HI state income tax code, but nationally states mostly mirror the federal rules for dependents, it they have an income tax.

If the child lives with you, as Maya did, she is pretty automatically an eligible dependent. If the child does not live with you, you typically must claim to have provided over 50% of the support for the child or have a court order awarding you the right to claim the child on your return because only one tax filer can claim the child (assert having provided over 50% of the support for the child).

On this 1973 HI return, Lolo and S. Ann are filing jointly and are claiming as a dependent only their daughter Maya who is living with them.

They are NOT admitting or declaring that S. Ann does not have custody of Barry, only that he is not living with them and they are not claiming him as a dependent.

I would expect that the Dunham grandparents claimed Barry on their return as a dependent child as he was living with them at the time.

My ex-wife and I passed a child back and forth several times and whoever had him got to claim him as a dependent but we had joint custody at all times.

Note, again, that in the divorce decree, one child of the marriage over age 18 (unnamed) is listed for Lolo and Stanley Ann. In documents on the record that I have seen there was no loss of custody of Barry by her at any time before age 18.

Something mysterious happened with BHO Sr. in 1971, probably pertaining to Barry’s Kenyan potential dual citizenship in the newly founded independent nation and possible rights and benefits for Barry. After all, BHO Sr. got financial aid for study in the US as a Kenyan student. That 1971 visit might not have had anything to do with custody, but only with preserving/validating Kenyan citizenship...possibly based on birth in Kenya. Stanley Ann was keen on Barry’s future education and did place him in the most prestigious school in HI with the help of grandma.

281 posted on 07/22/2012 8:36:17 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

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104 posted on 12/12/2012 10:58:56 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Fred Nerks

i think that is one dependant...


107 posted on 12/13/2012 12:33:00 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Fred Nerks

This would fit the scenario where parental rights are transferred to Obama senior in late 1971 so that Obama II’s Indonesian citizenship is properly terminated.

Legally, Obama Senior likely took full custody. But probably only temporarily. He was likely a ‘conduit’ but not the final terminal.


111 posted on 12/13/2012 6:27:05 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: Fred Nerks

Stanley Ann Soetoro and Lolo Soetoro were stripped of their parental rights in 1971 when Obama arrived as an Unaccompanied Minor with foreign nationality in 1971.

Not only was Lolo Soetoro stripped of his rights as the paternal parent after the Soetoro adoption was finalized, he and Ann had Barry taken away from them and placed in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. Obama’s grandmother was appointed his guardian or foster mother, but Catholic Social Services of Connecticut maintained legal control.

Why Catholic Social Services of Connecticut and not child welfare of Hawaii? Because Obama was a foreign national. Foreign nationals were not placed in the custody of state-based child welfare agencies in the 70’s. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut is a non-government, non-profit welfare agency that had contracted with the U.S. Federal Government to take custody of abandoned foreign national children.

1971 ... Lolo and Stanley Ann stripped of their parental rights. The Soetoro COLB created by State of Hawaii after the Soetoro adoption was finalized is sealed and archived. A new COLB is created by the State of Hawaii with BHO Sr. listed as the father and his race as “African” by order of the Court. The Court orders Barack Hussein Obama II to remain in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut with Madelyn Payne as his guardian.

1977 ... Catholic Social Services of Connecticut applies for a SSN on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama II using his Permanent Resident Alien Status as the qualifying event for the card.

1971 ... 1979 (Obama’s 18th birthday) Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro cannot claim Barack Hussein Obama II as a dependent on their U.S. Federal Tax Return because he is in the custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. Stanley Ann and Lolo had been stripped of their parental rights. With permission, Stanley Ann could visit Obama. But she had no control over him and could not claim him as a dependent.

After 1979 ... Stanley Ann and Lolo Soetoro claim one child, over 18, dependent upon them for education expense. Catholic Social Services of Connecticut no longer had legal custody of Obama after his 18th birthday.


114 posted on 12/13/2012 8:29:16 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (TINKER, TAILOR, SOLDIER, SPY)
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