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“alleged Filipinos the mother”

“then was identity-swapped with Barry in HI in 1964. Barry, son of Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf, assumed the BHO II identity”

I am not trying ‘advance’ this theory at all. I just ask - who are Filipino heritage women in the dock photo - and maybe the Nachmanoff floor photo. The woman only identified as Anne in the Nachmanoff photo MAY be one of the 2 women in the dock photo. It is hard to tell definitely one way or the other.

Coupled the Filipino women in the dock photo and the McKeon memo of the USC wife ‘who is in the Philipines’. So I certainly agree. McKeon made no claim of Filipino or Filipino-heritage wife. And he was relying on input from Obama or some other source - as such its actual accuracy is not confirmed. It is basically hearsay.

But the pictures and reference and apparent linkage to the Philippines have never been explained. Maybe they can not after so much time.

As the multiple Ann(x)s in 1961 or so.

There is:

Ann Dunham
Stanley Ann Dunham
‘Anne (USA)’ (Nachmanoffs)
Anna (Seattle)

If the references to Anne and Anna where one or the other I would say that is strong linkage. But they are not. So the linkage is more tenuous.

Is Anna of Seattle really Stanley Ann? Maybe. If you were a single mother with a mixed-race child in 1961/1962 you probably have enough problems without using a mans name as your first name. But why not Ann instead of Anna. Anna is not used her anywhere else. So it somewhat stands out as an anomaly.

KISS is always good. Based on KISS I would say this scenario is possible. Note - possible, not likely, not probably. Just possible.

Obama knocks up SAD in the November 1960 timeframe. Parents ship her off to family in Washington. No wedding, not happy little family. She has baby in Washington - maybe (just maybe) Canada leveraging Obama’s nationality connection to that country. He was after all British at this time since Kenya was not yet independent.
She stays in Washington. She only returns after the trouble maker - Obama Senior - leaves the island. Then in 1964 she files for divorce to give her and the baby a proper married name. Better to be divorced with a child than to have never been married based on values at the time - right?

This ‘legitimizes’ the baby’s name and give her a ‘legitimate’ past with a dirty rotten husband who abandoned her and the baby. I think the divorce claimed mis-treatment. How can you mis-treat if you are not in any contact? So the divorce was probably a sham to create a sham marriage and ‘clean up’ the past.

Obama senior either agrees to it or does not care. But when push comes to shove later in 1964 he tries to leverage the situation to stay in the US.

The reason I think that SAD would have already been on the mainland IF the birth really did happen August 4 1961 is that the average maternity stay in 1961 was 8 days. So she would not have left the hospital until the 12th. Then she is in Seattle by end of the month? Or even the 19th? Unlikely. How and when SAD goes to Seattle is another vacuum.

So that is it. The basic story as it might fit datapoints. Roman Obama - not sure, seems much, much more complex. And not trying to ‘advance’ that.

But still many vacuums that would be better filled.

If SAD were the mother and BHO the father, and the DOB and place were accurate, there would have been no need for a forgery.

Leaving aside the adoption by Soetoro and subsequent locking up of the original B.C. as proposed by Sven Magnussen). And I could be wrong, but even if the original B.C. if it listed SAD and BHO as parents, perhaps could be obtained by the guy in the WH even if it were not “legal” since the DoH is his plaything.

So I see no need for a clumsy forgery in any case, if the purported parents were the real ones.

This is leaving aside the other aberrations that lead the thoughtful followers of this to conclude that neither purported parent is factually a parent.

Courtesy ping to S.M.

We are mostly in agreement.

IMO there is a verifiable legal certainty that Stanley Ann was living in Seattle attending U of WA. because it is contemporaneously corroborated by MULTIPLE verifiable state and federal records at INS, HI and WA. One unusual spelling of Ann as Anna in the Seattle Polk that is totally uncorroborated will mean nothing in any forensic investigation or federal court. The spelling could be a simple typo by the Polk clerk or an alternate name temporarily chosen by a 19-year-old who at that age frequently experiment with different names.

If you check, every “Filipina” reference is uncorroborated contemporaneously AND highly speculative in every way. The McKeon memo from Baltimore INS in 1964 says “separated” wife IN the Philippines, not Filipina, as previously discussed and is years removed in time and geography from the insemination event in 1960. Being uncorroborated, the McKeon reference could easily have been misdirection by Sr. or misremembered by McKeon between his interview and his write-up of the mamo.

The ONLY separated wife in 1964 in the US in INS records (prior to divorce finalization) was Stanley Ann Dunham Obama. If there was another one, such as an alternate Anna Obama with a half-Filipino baby, wouldn’t McKeon have noted that in some way?

The Nachmanoff woman was named as Japanese by the Cambodian classmate, IIRC and the women on the dock (conclusively ID’d as a departure) may LOOK Filipina to some but could just as easily be Japanese or HI mixed race to my eye, but in 1962 when Sr. would have departed, what can be concluded from two alleged Filipina women standing next to notorious skirt-chaser BHO Sr.? That he was married to one of them who had a 100% African-looking baby who grew up to be Roman Obama three years earlier...(not that you are still saying this)?

... I just ask - who are Filipino heritage women in the dock photo - and maybe the Nachmanoff floor photo. The woman only identified as Anne in the Nachmanoff photo MAY be one of the 2 women in the dock photo. It is hard to tell definitely one way or the other.

The 'dock photo' seems to have been tampered with to the extent it's impossible to use for anything, it's doubtful if that's even the head of the kenyan in the pic, one man has an arm missing which appears again between the two central characters...one of whom was wearing a coat and seems to have had his arm around the man that looks like Stanley Armour Dunham. The asian woman in the forefront appears to have been addded later, and has been tentatively identified as a 1959 graduate from the U of HI. The girl of interest standing very close to the man holding a briefcase does resemble the ANNE/USA at the Nachmannofs, but that's not conclusive. Of the three men wearing glasses, two seem to be duplicates, or twins. Many have tried, but no one has been able to locate the SOURCE of this image. The numerous LEI ARE FAKE, and the kenyan's FACE may have come from a black and white version of the airport image from 1970/71... And if you were to take the image at face value, why would there be the captain and officers of a ship and dock workers at a welcome or farewell for the kenyan? There are many more anomalies, too many to go into. The image is useless for any dating or identification purposes.

Coupled the Filipino women in the dock photo and the McKeon memo of the USC wife ‘who is in the Philipines’. So I certainly agree. McKeon made no claim of Filipino or Filipino-heritage wife. And he was relying on input from Obama or some other source - as such its actual accuracy is not confirmed. It is basically hearsay.

Correct, and if there was a wife from whom he is separated living in the Philippines she could have been of Spanish descent or a coloured, muslim woman from the Moro Tribe - that the Laubach Org for whom Elizabeth Mooney worked, spent many years teaching literacy in the Philippines.

But the pictures and reference and apparent linkage to the Philippines have never been explained. Maybe they can not after so much time.

SAD made one (delayed) trip to the Philippines in 1986 iirc. Connected or not, who knows? Check the passport application file.

As the multiple Ann(x)s in 1961 or so.

There is:

Ann Dunham

Stanley Ann Dunham

‘Anne (USA)’ (Nachmanoffs)

Anna (Seattle)

Stanley Ann Dunham, S Ann Dunham, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro...and any variations (according to her signature collection which I will post separately, are the names of the daughter of Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham.

Ann S Obama, Ann Obama, Anna Obama are the names of the woman who was enrolled at the U of HI for Fall 1960, and left the island with a child and moved to Seattle in time to be listed in the 1961-62 Polk Directory. (I'm keeping it KISS)

If the references to Anne and Anna where one or the other I would say that is strong linkage. But they are not. So the linkage is more tenuous.

The kenyan's marriage to a woman known as Anna 'Toot' was known in the village - from the letters the kenyan wrote home to his father, the only one who could read. It seems the woman he wrote home about, he named Annie Tutu which has been described to me by a freeper as a local Hawaiian name customarily bestowed upon an older sister or aunt named ANNA. The name stuck in Clan lore (phoneticaly)as Anna Toot. You need to follow how 'Dreams' then weaves the names Anna, Ann and Toot into the narrative. I'll post the relative paragraph again...

Is Anna of Seattle really Stanley Ann? Maybe. If you were a single mother with a mixed-race child in 1961/1962 you probably have enough problems without using a mans name as your first name. But why not Ann instead of Anna. Anna is not used her anywhere else. So it somewhat stands out as an anomaly.

You need to believe that the girl who enrolled at the U of WA a few weeks after the birth of a child, according to the transcript, went by the name of OBAMA, Stanley Ann Dunham, yet shows up in the Polk directory as ANNA OBAMA. I think common sense might indicate that Anna (or Ann) Obama arrived in Seattle in time to get her name into the directory and have Mary baby-sit IN JANUARY and the name on the transcipt is suspect.

KISS is always good. Based on KISS I would say this scenario is possible. Note - possible, not likely, not probably. Just possible.

KISS is good if you are writing an essay or a short story - it's not usefull when trying to explain a deception.

Obama knocks up SAD in the November 1960 timeframe. Parents ship her off to family in Washington. No wedding, not happy little family. She has baby in Washington - maybe (just maybe) Canada leveraging Obama’s nationality connection to that country. He was after all British at this time since Kenya was not yet independent. She stays in Washington. She only returns after the trouble maker - Obama Senior - leaves the island. Then in 1964 she files for divorce to give her and the baby a proper married name. Better to be divorced with a child than to have never been married based on values at the time - right?

That's just an example of what KISS can do.

This ‘legitimizes’ the baby’s name and give her a ‘legitimate’ past with a dirty rotten husband who abandoned her and the baby. I think the divorce claimed mis-treatment. How can you mis-treat if you are not in any contact? So the divorce was probably a sham to create a sham marriage and ‘clean up’ the past.

All KISS, no progress, same stuff discussed over and over before the election in 2008.

Obama senior either agrees to it or does not care. But when push comes to shove later in 1964 he tries to leverage the situation to stay in the US.

The reason I think that SAD would have already been on the mainland IF the birth really did happen August 4 1961 is that the average maternity stay in 1961 was 8 days. So she would not have left the hospital until the 12th. Then she is in Seattle by end of the month? Or even the 19th? Unlikely. How and when SAD goes to Seattle is another vacuum.

So that is it. The basic story as it might fit datapoints. Roman Obama - not sure, seems much, much more complex. And not trying to ‘advance’ that.

But still many vacuums that would be better filled.

Sorry, you miss a go; go back to the start. I'm doing my best to fill a vacuum but you can't let go of the myth of SAD's motherhood, and while that remains sacrocanct, there can be no progress.

pityful isn't it, they had to add (Stanley)to Ann D....

And UNHAM OBAMA to the name that was there...to make Stanley Ann Dunham Obama for the name of the mother. Check the birth certificate forgeries I posted earlier.

“Is Anna of Seattle really Stanley Ann? Maybe. If you were a single mother with a mixed-race child in 1961/1962 you probably have enough problems without using a mans name as your first name. But why not Ann instead of Anna. Anna is not used her anywhere else.”

Anna in Polk is at the SAME address that Ann registered to be her address at U of WA...the same address as Mary Toutonghi’s! Case closed.