Posted on 09/27/2012 10:28:51 AM PDT by diamond6
A conversation between my husband and a FReeper who wants to sit out the election because he doesn't like Romney:
"See, I believe that we are already past the tipping point.”
You really are naive. Nothing worse can happen, huh?
How about those hefty taxes that are planned for the “rich” (really small businesses) in January? Think that might possibly cause our economy to get even worse by increasing the jobless?
How about the $1 trillion dollar debt (conservatively estimated) for the next fiscal year’s budget and every year’s budget thereafter?
How about the disregard and attacking of the rights of all religious institutions, who will be forced to pay for something they believe is morally wrong? Do you think quite possibly Catholic hospitals and facilities might possibly go out of business?
How about the actual implementation of Obama Care, which will devalue our way of life, drive doctors out of the business, bankrupt insurance companies, and cause skyrocketing premiums?
How about the complete collapse of our economy, which will likely result in unprecented skyrocketing inflation rates and quite possibly a depression that we have never ever seen the likes of?
What about the complete disregard of any and all pro-life protections - babies, the elderly (euthanasia - they won’t be needed anymore?
How about the removal of any moral values for our country at all?
How about World War III in the Middle East, the annihiliation of Israel, and a nuclear holocaust there as well, with the fear of dirty bombs in this country?
How about the removal of all our rights - free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms through Obama executive order fiats?
How about the replacement of our conservative judges with ultra liberal anti-Constitutionalists?
How about a Communistic-style of government that will lead us to the point of no return?
Your no vote is a vote for Communism. Congratulations on your “principled” approach. And you’re doing that to teach the party “a lesson”? There won’t be a 2016 election to turn to, after Obama gets done.
You and others like you have no genuine concern or accountability for our country at all.
Your the one that ruined it. Hence, you don’t get a basic analogy.
Now, go and do what you got to do.
Actually, you did, you made the implication quite smoothly (in your own mind), you used Soros as an example of how socialists make money in response to my comment about Mitt making profits in the private sector.
It WAS your argument.
It's stupid and patently false, just like the rest of your crapola.
You might as well say free enterprise = Marxism as to claim Mitt = Bambi, *whining voice* "they are both socialists!"
You're used to winning by making fatuous claims that are so stupid people think it's unnecessary to respond to such moronic judgment. Sorry, you lost, you lost big.
Yeah it’s kind of like playing a lottery where you’ve already been told you’re not going to win.
Still want to buy a ticket?
I'd rather not hear talk about "losing one's principles" for a matter of expediency, which is what you're saying by that comment. Losing one's principles in a time of crisis is how tyrants assume power. Losing one's principles in a time of "apparent" crisis is how Obamacare was pushed through Congress. Losing one's principles is how judges allowed Obamacare to stand; and it's how a weak Congress allows transgressions by this administration to continue--they're so afraid of what the public will think if they bring impeachment charges against the President, that they won't do what's right, for fear of being mocked.
A vote for Romney is being practical. Short of a bloody revolution, it's the best option we have at this time.
Oh come on. If you don’t think that people around here have been demonizing the anti-Romney folks for the last few months, I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Some people have been respectful, but many are just going around calling people morons, psychotics, Obama lovers, etc. I don’t know what else to call that behavior.
Yes, we have no choice but to temporarily suspend our principles (as we did in 2008) and support the lesser of two evils. For those Republicans who have no principles to begin with this choice is easy. To some like gilb it is much harder.
Both candidates are prov-en liars so we shouldn't let Romney's lying to us stop us from making the most expedient choice. At least Romney is making believe he is on our side, you cant say that for Obama.
Romney-care might suck but its better than Obama-care,
“How many of you and your neighbors will it take to die dealing with just ONE of these?”
Well, zero, if you are smart about it. There’s not a big risk to your life if you are detonating an IED remotely.
“That is very different from saying you are OKAY with gays in the military.”
Well, it’s not any different in effect. He’s basically saying that we lost the battle and he doesn’t want to fight anymore. He has surrendered and is advising others to do the same.
“That is the crux of our disagreement.
4 years of an opposed Obama or 8 years of an unopposed Romney. Seems about the same to me. “
So, in point of fact, you believe that electing Romney is worse than re-electing Obama?
“For someone so ignorant of business to call a successful business man a socialist.....”
Armand Hammer was a successful businessman. Warren Buffett is a successful businessman. George Soros is a successful businessman. What would you call them? Capitalists?!?
At least Romney is making believe he is on our side, you cant say that for Obama.
Romney-care might suck but its better than Obama-care,
08, 04, 2000 etc...and every midterm and state/local in between...
weve *settled* for compromisers and plain ole backstabbing political hacks [mc *hock spit* queeeeeeeeeg] and have been bent over by these guys selling us out, time and time again...
and most of em thru my voting life have had better, if not MUCH better demonstrable records, for decades, than RR...
the 'our guys suck less' campaign is the end result of compromising our Principles in each successive election cycle...
i saw a FReeper last week declare that romney is "an 85%" candidate, and accusing us of being 'purists'...
85% ???!!! and we're the *delusional*, "prideful" *morons* ???
again, if it soothes yer soul to vote *for* and endorse mittens, be my guest, but Ive left the hold yer nose plantation, and seeking Someone better to Lead me...
yeah I know...but IMHO..the real problem We the People have..isn’t the tin can on rubber in the picture...but that we’re all having to sit around talking about OUR government employees and their intent in this fashion.
How do you figure that when Romney's actual record shows support and promotion of nearly the same exact things Obama has been ramrodding down our throats?
The only new direction you are going to get with Romney, is more Statist Socialism - Socialism with a wink and a kiss instead of a fist in your face.
How the heck anyone who is pumping Romney can say that voting for a Liberal pro-big government statist like Romney is going to give the Federal behemoth a new direction, is quite baffling.
Just the opposite will be true.
I also believe that with a Romney administration, conservatives would have a better voice in its navigation.
That is sheer willful ignorance or blindness!
Tuesday. Republican National Convention.
Romney and the GOP-e shoved rules by the pound of Boehner's gavel that renders Conservatism and grassroots TEA Party activism IRRELEVANT in a Romney regime and forever in national politics under the GOP brand.
Conservatives will have no more voice in Romney's regime than it does now in Obama's.
Ryan already capitulated to Homosexuals in the military, he will do the same for ObamaCare and everything else, and he will do so by probably saying the same thing he has already said, "Repealing it is wrong. The issue is past us. It's time to move on".
As for being practical by voting for Romney - if practicality requires I trump my faith and principles, then that is exactly what betraying principles for expediency means.
I admit I have not read all these posts, but one thing I notice is that some of the Romney naysayers don’t seem to take into account his awesome choice of conservative Ryan. He’s kind of like a Palin to McCain don’t you think? She is the one who rallied the troops to vote for McCain.
And another thought my awesome hubby mentioned last night about the naysayers “showing the establishment a thing or two by witholding their vote”, it obviously did nothing because they pushed McCain on us and he lost. They did not correct their decisions after McCain, who is to say they will if Romney loses.
These establishment people just need to be replaced. They don’t have America’s best interests at heart. They are probably closet democrats in sheeps clothing.
D’s wife.
Yes, you’re right, that is a real problem. Unfortunately, as long as our government disregards the advice of the founders and keeps a standing army, we’re going to have to talk about it.
Oh, great - so don't get yourself all bent outta shape when you're told that a non-vote, or a vote for an insignificant "acceptable" candidate is truly a vote for Obama.
p.s. - "the GOP decided they didn't need my vote (snivel, snivel)" is not whiney???? LOLOL!
Nope, not whiney at all. I’m not ranting, I’m calm, and I’m stating the facts. Romney was an unacceptable nominee. Always was.
Now that he is the nominee, I can either redefine my threshold of unacceptability, or not.
I choose not.
the ryan whose budget proposal increased spending and didnt balance nor begin to see *projected* reductions for 10 yrs ???
or the ryan who went with piglousy and weepy boner behind closed doors, then came back out touting , responsible, written in stone budget cuts,which he then miraculously a couple weeks ago said that wasnt really a good deal, but only a starting point to *force* dims to cut their own pork and voting base, to save his DOD budget ???
or was it the ryan who most recently decreed the homos in the military to be a done deal, not worth fighting to repeal, because the queers that have outed themselves ???
Mr Ryan is however *better* than ole slo-joe biteden, so he must be a radical right wing conservative...
We saw what the Establishment did to Sarah Palin. The implications are not lost to us.
And Ryan isn’t anything close to a Palin.
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