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Posted on 08/18/2012 8:48:02 PM PDT by null and void
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The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.
If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?
Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?
We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.
This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.
He didn’t start out by shooting mothers and children.
He started out in elementary school, being taught that evil people were keeping him and his countrymen down. They called them Jews back then.
Today we call them 1%ers, rich people, or white oppressors.
There were a hundred little steps between that and shooting babies because “nits make lice”...
That will take a long time. He needs a dirt nap in the worst way.
The point made about the NOAA fisheries person being armed points out the militarization of federal and state agency personnel. We have had CA Dept. of Fish and Game personnel dressed in full riot gear come up to a ranchers home to inquire about whether their irrigation practices dewatered a salmon stream. We have had them visit little old ladies in full armament to inquire whether they were sure they didn’t want to sign the coho incidental take permit. We have had them in the hallways at public meetings where DFG officials were speaking.
It is a Brave New World out there and should remind everyone that the true nature of government is force against the individual. It is why our founders delegated only small increments of power to fractionalized branches and levels of government, retianing to the individual that which was not delegated.
How many rounds does an average person shoot off on a gun range, practicing?
Im not sure if the amount of ammo is overwrought, when you consider how many people will be using it.
When I was still in the military, we went to the firing ranges with the following steps.
1. Shoot three rounds at 25 meters. Go downrange and mark the holes.
2. Shoot three more rounds at 25M. Go downrange and mark the holes.
3. Shoot three more rounds at 25M. Go downrange and mark the holes.
4. Triangulate the sets and change windage and elevation.
5. Shoot three more rounds at 25M. Go downrange and see if you are in the center.
6. Go to qualification range and shoot 42 rounds from 25M - 300M.
That would be 12 or 15 + 42 on the qual range.
“I often wonder, how can anybody do that, shooting a defensless mother and her child.”
The victims were first dehumanized for a period of years as traitors, degenerates, subhumans, parasites and the enemy within, or just over the border. Just as the Federal government and the Southern Poverty Law Clinic have been doing about ‘right wing extremists’, ‘racists’, ‘Dominionists’, ‘militias’ etc. for some years now. Only when that has traction do the actual assaults begin, culminating in liquidation if it meets with complacency and opportunity.
Once you dehumanize a target demographic, liquidating them is just pest control. The ‘authorities’ also get the ball rolling with sociopaths doing the wetwork initially. Later on, the weak and susceptible are trained into the tasks. If they can’t handle it they are moved on to other duties, or discharged. Peer pressure and the human default setting for conformity makes the dissident a rare breed however.
Both the Bolsheviks and the National Socialists got their initial armed sections up and running with a mixture of no limits fanatics, common criminal who were in it for the thrills it offered, and resentful scrubs. The opportunities for rape, loot, prestige and recreation or other perks were offered as rewards. There is an abundance of people in this decayed society who would be up for the task, and a whole world to import them from as well.
There is actually a large amount of scholarship out there on how ‘the unthinkable’ actually is very thinkable, and with the right circumstances and timing, very doable. See for example Robert Conquest, whose area of expertise was specifically the Soviet Union. The similarities in other countries though - Spain, Germany, China, Turkey, Cuba, Nicaragua, Cambodia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan etc. show it to be a reliable and cross cultural set of techniques though. Since it ain’t broke, the tyrants of the world don’t fix it.
There were a hundred little steps between that and shooting babies because “nits make lice”...
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In a nutshell, exactly what you said in this post.
Interesting post and a very interesting thread. Thanks to every poster.
Read every post BUMP!
“It is a Brave New World out there and should remind everyone that the true nature of government is force against the individual. It is why our founders delegated only small increments of power to fractionalized branches and levels of government, retianing to the individual that which was not delegated.”
It must also be remembered that BOTH parties are part and parcel to this drift ever since G. H. W. Bush first bleated his platitudes about the New World Order. I say again, the real conflict is not horizontal, between the right and the left. The REAL conflict is vertical, between the elites and the rest of the nation.
Shoot first and don’t ask no question policy ? Yea thats the Government i want ...... NOT !
Ours started out with the environmentalists using major newspapers like the Chronicle and L.A. Times to report how ranchers were dewatering the streams and killing baby salmon. They failed to actually research the fact that these are arroyos - streams that only run when there is snowmelt to feed them. (We don’t get rain in the summer months at all. The intermittent status of these streams is well documented in early explorer’s journals and pioneer diaries.) Tom Stenstra and others made sure that the renchers and farmers here are demonized so its ok now to use force on them.
That’s how it is done. There is even a bill going through the legislature right now to cut out the DA and the local courts in prosection of “offenders.” It sets up expanded DFG administrative authority to issue large fines without a trial, cross examination etc.
Sometimes, I find it hard to believe that this is America.
In all the many articles about these purchases, I have never read any history of how much ammo these various gov agencies have purchased previously; comparing year to year or decade to decade.
I would like to know those figures, over time. If these agencies have never purchased these kinds or amounts of ammunition before, then every single freaking Congressman needs to hear from their constituents, ASAP.
dirtboy reported that the agencies are saying it’s routine purchases.
This falls a little short of finding comparable old orders, but is at least something.
See my post 133. They qualify four times a year.
I need to see figures, not an anonymous assertion. If the gov buys this amount consistently over time, that’s one thing. If it is much more and of different kind that previously, than that’s something else.
Accurate figures of say the last ten years would be nice to have.
So we'd have find other sources.
But 175,000 rounds does work out to about 600 rounds per agent, not that much.
And I also linked to an NRA website post as well.
I’ve mentioned that border and domestic security offices might be simply trying to buy ammunition in advance to secure it before any new market craze and shortage happens. There’s another strong possibility: international war with foreign enemy guerrilla (terrorist) attacks within our own borders. There are Iran, Syria, other Middle Eastern countries, and elsewhere, other potentially more dangerous and likely international situations that most of us aren’t unaware of (to do with oil and ocean routes).
Are the newer domestic defense agencies weird? Of course, IMO, they’re strange and too civilian in nature. Bring back Civil Defense and military auxiliaries, I say. But our libertine generation rejects older and truly conservative wisdom from our fathers (great-grandfathers for many now), and the same aged hippies in leadership now don’t want to hear about any possible large attacks from foreigners.
True that much of the hysterical political speech is coming from some government administrators, but that is one attribute of contemporary politics (reminiscent of a spoiled gossip who won’t control her urges to defame and threaten neighbors).
As for politics, I’m irked at domestic politics on every side now. Too many regulations and too many government-income groups pushing for bigger pieces of the debt pie from both political parties. Too little production. Political speech has gone crazy (yes, crazier from the libertine left and initiated by the libertine left).
I’ve seen it posited elsewhere that the guv is buying so much to create shortages for the regular purchasers (meaning us collectively speaking).
My first reaction to this was “Don’t be silly. Armed agents employed by these agencies need range time as much as any other LEOs do.” But then I remembered something about this administration: They loath lead ammo.
This bunch has been pushing “non-toxic” ammo for years now. (Never mind that the “non-toxic” ammo is made from more chemically reactive, and thus more toxic, metals than lead.) They might accept lead ammo for daily service use, but they really don’t like it at all for target practice; especially at indoor ranges.
So what are they planning to do with all of this lead ammo?
The 175,000 rounds are just for the SSA. There are many other agencies with purchaces, some of which seem quite large, going on. I want to see how many these agencies purchased last year, the year before that, and so on for 10 years. Otherwise there is no info to compare.
I wondered about that as well. The other purchases may/could be explained...the DHS of 1 billion is alarming.
I wouldn’t know where to search- but I would be very interested to know if these types of purchase are common and have always been- or have they been made in this quantity since 9/11...or..just in the last 3-4 years..
What I’d really like to see are the tactical plans of dealing with “civil unrest”..
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