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Posted on 08/18/2012 8:48:02 PM PDT by null and void
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The Social Security Administration (SSA) confirms that it is purchasing 174 thousand rounds of hollow point bullets to be delivered to 41 locations in major cities across the U.S. No one has yet said what the purpose of these purchases is, though we are led to believe that they will be used only in an emergency to counteract and control civil unrest. Those against whom the hollow point bullets are to be used — those causing the civil unrest — must be American citizens; since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens.
What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.
Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?
All my life I’ve handled firearms. When a young boy growing up on my father’s farm in Pennsylvania Dad’s first rule of firearms training was, “Never point a gun at someone, in fun or otherwise, unless you intend to shoot them. If you shoot someone, shoot to kill.” I’ve never forgotten his admonition. It stayed with me through my Boy Scout training, when I enlisted in the army as a Private to fight in the Korea War, during my days as a Ranger and Paratrooper and throughout my thirty-four year military career.
If this were only a one time order of ammunition, it could easily be dismissed. But there is a pattern here. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has ordered 46,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition. Notice that all of these purchases are for the lethal hollow nose bullets. These bullets are not being purchased and stored for squirrel or coyote hunting. This is serious ammunition manufactured to be used for serious purposes.
In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.
I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?
Obama is a deadly serious, persistent man. Once he focuses on an object, he pursues it to the end. What is his focus here? All of these rounds of ammunition can only be used to kill American citizens, though there is enough ammunition being ordered to kill, in addition to every American citizen, also every Iranian, Syrian or Mexican. There is simply too much of it. And this much ammunition can’t be just for training, there aren’t that many weapons and “shooters” in the U.S. to fire it. Perhaps it is to be used to arm illegal immigrants?
We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.
We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?
Were I the JCS, and if I wasn’t already fully briefed on this matter, I’d stop the purchase of hollow point bullets, ask the secretary of Defense why all this ammunition is being purchased and spread around the country? If I got answers like the ones Congress got during the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious – I’d start tracking all ammunition deliveries nationwide to find out what organizations and units are using them, for what purpose and, if it is not constitutional, prepare to counteract whatever it is that they are doing.
This is a deadly serious business. I hope I’m wrong, but something smells rotten. And If the Congress isn’t going to do its duty and investigate this matter fully, the military will have to protect the Constitution, the nation, and our citizens.
Jerry Curry is a decorated combat veteran, Army Aviator, Paratrooper, and Ranger, who for nearly forty years has served his country both in the military and as a Presidential political appointee.
Make that the KNOWN contracts. I'm even more worried about the unknown, behind the scenes, under the table, back door transactions. Then there's the contracts for bullet proof check point booths and aremored vehicles.
The federal fiscal year ends September 30 so they're at the end of their budgets so it's either spend the money or lose it. Okey, dokey but isn't is interesting that all these little non-military agencies, save a handful of armed security employees, have all channeled their monies to ammo rather than a workshop in a 5 star resort or new office furniture or a few cartons of pencils.
I wonder if it is possible that the fedgov is placing these orders simply to lock up the supply chain, preventing citizens who are buying ever more guns from getting any ammo.
The question does still remain, however... why does the SSA require armed officers? I'll say there could very well be a legitimate purpose... building security? I don't know, but it would be interesting to hear the breakdown. I don't see any conspiracy here though, I'd need a lot more than just ammo purchases to be able to consider something like that.
You also have a problem in their contradicting themselves.
They claim they are buying ammo in bulk to save money, which is well and good, but then they turn around and buy premium grade ammo allegedly for practice.
Their story doesn't hold up.
They would all have to turn into idiots at the same time for the story to be true.
Have they not had their dry run on some Michigan-based militia arrests?
Seems to me, they arrested several people in 2010/2011 on terrorism charges, held them for a period of time sufficient to deprive them of their livelihoods and property, before they were eventually found innocent of any terrorist related activities.
The government should have to compensate people falsely held on trumped up charges.
Every one who has ever posted here other than Murry mom. I haven’t seen her in a long time, did she end up zotted?
Maybe its to had out to civilians when the mothership arrives.
How about replaying ammo manufacturers for campaign contributions?
Isnt there somewhere to compare this with previous years?
Well why hollow point and why those agencies and why the massive amounts..What the answer?
I think you’re on the right track.
I think you’re on the right track.
NOW ObamaCare makes sense...don’ t want to have to clutter up the trauma centers with evidence.....
Good post
Hague Convention, actually. 1899.
Although this may be true for the average Joe like you or I, these agencies choose this ammunition for purpose specific applications and they will do it based on expert recommendations, not just off the cuff. A 180gr JHP in .45acp handles much differently than a 230gr round nose of the same caliber. HP ammunition isn't necessarily chosen for it's habit of body-cavity fragmentation, it's more likely chosen because of it's general tendency to fragment on impact and not over-penetrate things like walls, car doors, etc. Not that it's the complete answer to the problem, but in all likelihood, this is a public safety measure against unintended background targets.
If an officer is going to need practice in order to achieve annual qualification, he needs to be practicing with ammunition that behaves the same way every time... this practice eliminates known variables and increases repeatable performance.
I'm not at all a government sympathizer, but most of this adds up to me. I simply don't have enough information to deduce whether the existence or amount of officers is justifiable, but I don't believe they are coming to get me or planning to in the future. We all know a .357sig is no match for what most of us have in our closets at home.
They intend to shoot us. It’s really that simple.
Well maybe not all that simple. Are the wanna-be benevolent leaders, progressives, intent on a back door gun control plan? Procure ten to twenty years supply of ammo for law enforcement and military then put the ammo manufacturers out of business. Then when “we the people” run out is when they start shooting us.
TAXPAYERS!!!
Supply and demand may be it but there's also capitalism. When the demand grows, new companies will step in to meet it. Yes, there's a lag time. Remember, not long ago when the government had such a large order of survival meals that the average joe's order was put on back order. But combine these orders with the other beefed up security and disaster contracts and it's enough to make you think something is up.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.
See posts 17 and 32, Strategerist more than adequately explains the reality of the situation.
There is an opportunity here. Start a company manufacturing guns. Draw Soros attention and get a good price for the company. Use that money to start another one. Run George out of money.
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