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Why Virgil Goode matters to Mitt Romney's presidential chances
July 14, 2012 | techno

Posted on 07/13/2012 9:00:22 PM PDT by techno

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To: Kansas58
BTW, the USA never sided with the Taliban against the USSR.

There was NO Taliban ~ we sided with the Mujahadeen. When we went back in after 9/11 we allied ourselves with the former Mujahadeen called The Northern Alliance.

The Democrats are currently attempting to ally themselves with the Taliban but they are finding that difficult since the Taliban don't like friends.

181 posted on 07/14/2012 1:16:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xzins
Hamilton, author of the Federalist papers, has had his view on the meaning of “general welfare” prevail over others like Madison and Jefferson. That is because Hamilton recognized the broadness of the term “general”.

Yes, but the means by which to secure the general welfare was the limited, enumerated powers of the Constitution, including the Constitution's own recognition of this in the 10th Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The existence of the words "general welfare" doesn't mean the federal government can do whatever it wants, whenever, and however to secure what a few people in Congress happen to consider at any one time or another is their idea of "general welfare." Besides, that is only 5th of the six reasons for establishing the Constitution in order to:
>form a more perfect Union,
>establish Justice,
>insure domestic Tranquility,
>provide for the common defence,
>promote the general Welfare, and
>secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
It looks to me like the liberals (and statist Republicans) and their use of "general welfare" have been seriously eroding every one of the other main purposes of establishing the Constitution.
182 posted on 07/14/2012 1:17:59 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: JCBreckenridge
Which, of course, is true.

The Mittbots played to win the game by hook or crook and didn't have any gameplan for what happens next.

Along the way they lost the voters in Virginia, and thousands of Conservatives elsewhere in America.

Virgil Goode has a plan to win and we are all here to help him ~ placed here by the perfidy and shortsightedness of Virginia's GOP-e.

183 posted on 07/14/2012 1:26:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian

With the election tossed in the House the DC vote won’t count anymore.


184 posted on 07/14/2012 1:31:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EternalVigilance
hmm, Social Security is not an entitlement as that has been defined. An entitlement is 'Oh, gee, another baby, no job, no baby daddy, give me money and food stamps'.

They are paid out of the general revenues.

185 posted on 07/14/2012 1:35:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kansas58

Se are smarter than they are. That’s why they haven’t won the battle.


186 posted on 07/14/2012 1:38:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Yashcheritsiy
First of all, spending on the military is the single largest chunk of the federal budget

Oh?

You must be getting your numbers from anti-war sites or something.

Here's a decent chart from last year:

Fact is, the vast bulk of spending is going either on "entitlement" programs, unconstitutional agencies and programs of some sort or another, and the interest we've incurred from spending wildly outside the enumerated powers.

187 posted on 07/14/2012 1:40:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: EternalVigilance
While a pie chart can be interesting, i'm partially color blind so it looks like CRP. What you need to do is GET A LIST.

BTW, another 5% of the guys on FR are also partially or totally color blind. They have no idea what you said with that exhibit.

188 posted on 07/14/2012 1:43:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EternalVigilance
Oh, I'm sorry, looks like SS passed it last year, then.

Nevertheless, my point still stands - anyone who doesn't want to touch 18.74% of the budget, especially when much of that amounts to spending on wars we shouldn't even be in and on bases in places we don't need to be anymore, simply is not serious about balancing the budget or reducing spending.

I guess we can start referring to you as Tom "Not a Serious Budget Cutter" Hoefling?

189 posted on 07/14/2012 1:47:37 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: EternalVigilance

What is Tom Hoefling’s position on ending the unconstitutional Air Force?


190 posted on 07/14/2012 1:49:22 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: muawiyah
They are paid out of the general revenues.

SS taxes are collected into and spent from the general revenues too. It's been that way for a very long time.

Both words, "trust" and "fund" have been fictional for years.

191 posted on 07/14/2012 1:53:24 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

The Air Force is constitutional.

The raison d’etre of government is defense.

Not benevolence.


192 posted on 07/14/2012 1:55:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I never said I didn’t “want to touch it.” You’ve invented that.

I said it isn’t the first thing you go after with a meat cleaver, like the Pauls and CPers and apparently Virgil Goode always seem to want.

Deal with the unconstitutional spending and then come talk to me about the most important constitutional things our government does.

It’s a question of priorities.


193 posted on 07/14/2012 1:58:32 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: Ronald_Magnus
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194 posted on 07/14/2012 2:00:11 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
I guess we can start referring to you as Tom "Not a Serious Budget Cutter" Hoefling?

How do you figure, when I've made it clear that I consider well over half of current spending to be unconstitutional, but your guy, like the other Democrats and Republicans he served with in Congress, has no intention of touching any of that with a ten foot pole?

195 posted on 07/14/2012 2:01:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: muawiyah

Hmmm, the term “almost” is key. Almost doesn’t count for squat. Almost is not good enough to beat Obama. As I said, you vote for who you want as that’s your right. But when we get 4 more years of Obama, don’t you bitch once, not once, as you made the bed in which you’re gonna be laying and you will have no one to blame but yourself.


196 posted on 07/14/2012 2:13:01 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Voting Anyone but Obama in 2012.)
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To: muawiyah
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and any number of other existing federal programs are actually benevolence.

And I agree with James Madison about the constitutionality of such largesse, which robs from one group of Americans, or from posterity, to benefit another more favored group of Americans.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison


197 posted on 07/14/2012 2:13:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: gorush

They’re not the same friend. Wouldn’t you like to have SOME chance of saving the America we know and love, rather than NO chance?


198 posted on 07/14/2012 2:34:39 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: MissouriConservative
You vote for Romney or Obama you got your 4 more years of Obama. Then, if it was Obama, that's the end of it. WIth Romney you get 4 more years of Obama on top of that.

The choice is between 8 years of Obama or 4 years of Obama.

That's why any other choice is preferable ~

199 posted on 07/14/2012 2:39:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ronald_Magnus

I went through the five stages of loss decades ago. Our culture has degraded to the point where there is NO chance of saving the America that you refer to. It is good to be old...but never fear, as long as I live I’ll always vote for strict-constructionist conservatives, knowing that their unlikely election will result in anarchy.


200 posted on 07/14/2012 2:41:17 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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