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To: savagesusie

So, I’m curious, do you see any place at all for unbelievers in this society?


31 posted on 07/12/2012 5:03:01 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Melas

Since our Natural Rights come from God-—only-—and never—man—I think that jurists and congressmen and the President (as our Founders thought) will always have to have Judeo/Christian worldview or at least uphold that worldview. The Supreme Law of the USA is the Constitution which can only exist and work with the Judeo-Christian God and His Standards of Right and Wrong (not Barney Frank’s sick standards).

That atheists and agnostics exist-—that is the wonder of Judeo-Christian belief-—Free Will. It has always been—although atheism was disparaged in our country until 1950’s and Marxist infiltration. Our Rights come from God and is incompatible with Marxist ideology which destroys the Natural Family and private property and makes slaves of all. Children are denied their natural rights to have their biological parents and not used like objects.

Since Faith in No God takes way more bizarre thinking than a belief in a Designer of Human Nature-—I think Atheists do not belong as teachers in elementary schools. Natural Law Theory (belief in a Designer) is the origin of Logic and Reason and is why Western Civ became so brilliant. As Ayn Rand said—German Postmodernists (all leftist ideology) are irrational. There is no logic and reason when you deny Natural Law Theory as Marxists do.

Atheists can teach in colleges, but not without freedom to debate all ideas, such as homosexual marriage, evolution, and (that pederast John Maynard Keynes) collective economics. Now, our universities are fascist organizations, using BF Skinner psychology and Legal Positivism to create useful idiots and eliminate Christian Ethics. Without logic-—”up will be down” and other absurdities like Wicca, and kids believe it—such as Heather has two Mommies or two men can “marry” or boys are girls are dogs.

The Bible is/was the standard of right and wrong in our schools up until Dewey threw out the McGuffey Readers and replaced all curricula with moral relativism. All the Founders knew that without Virtue, there can never be freedom—and children need to be given a foundation based on Christian Ethics since it is the only compatible Ethical system which supports the Supreme Law of the Land. Atheists used to learn those Christian Standards since they were living in a Christian nation. If Atheists were moral, it was because of their Christian Ethics they practiced.

That we are Post-Christian is obvious—they quit promoting Christian Values in all movies and curricula by the 1970’s and Marxist “feel good, do it” is promoted with the resulting Godless, inhumane culture. Godless people create havoc and destroy order in civil society. They have no respect for anyone or private property, because they don’t see the dignity and worth that God gives all human beings. Collectivism/atheism sees people as drones, consumers-—a ?means to an end”—which means they can eliminate whomever-—it is always evil.

Christianity teaches individuality-—each person has dignity and worth—it is the underlying principle of the US Constitution and individual freedom. Marxism/atheism is alway eliminates individual worth and dignity, which is incompatible with our Constitution. Only God gives human beings worth and dignity—ALL people.


32 posted on 07/12/2012 6:26:19 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Melas

ST. Thomas Aquinas infused Natural Law Theory, which dates back to the ancient Greeks and Stoics, into Catholic Theology. The basis of Christianity, besides Christ, is Natural Law Theory (God created the World) (same as with our U.S. Constitution). It is in line with the “thinking” of John Locke—whose philosophy was the predominate ideology of our Founders and our Constitution. Christianity is the most rational religion—as Dinesh Di’Souza illustrates in his book. Religions that are in conflict with our Constitutional Rights should not be recognized—like Wicca, etc. The Founders would “laugh” if they saw the irrational and stupid decisions of our courts and Congress and President. (It is to destroy us from within—Marxists have to destroy Reason and Logic and God).

The Rule of Law-—SHOULD be based on ‘Right Reason according to Nature’. It is the only way you can make Just Law—with logic and reason. If you make law which conflicts with the Laws of Nature, you create chaos—you need totalitarian government to force this unnatural law. (Like taking away people’s private property or taking away their duty to take care of their own children or their right to reproduce and own what they produce—and not have a master).

Irrational Marxists throw out Natural Law Theory (Reason and Logic) so you get two men can marry, little boys are really girls, government can be your nanny, charity is charity even if there is a gun held by IRS at the back of your head. Might makes Right===whatever they say is good is good—because they make up the standards on NOTHING. Power over others wins and there is no Right and Wrong. Without a standard, there can be no civil society—no economy, no protected children and private property. Everyone lives in fear and can’t trust anyone-—there is no Rule of Law-—just Rule of Man. Without God, there is no Standard of Right and Wrong. It is like playing a basketball game with no rules-—won’t be possible.

Our legal system no longer has “Just Laws”. They are posited with no rational thinking—no reason and logic-—because there can be none in minds which don’t believe in a Designer of Nature—the basis of Natural Law Theory—where all the Laws of Nature —such as gravity, physics, etc—were derived.

Since John Austin’s ideology displaced our Rule of Law—with Rule of Barney Frank (man)—we no longer have a rational government or reasoned laws. We are heading toward anarchy-—same as what Cicero saw when Rome dumped Rule of Law-—and sold special rights and money to friends and relatives and political backers. If we don’t impeach our Godless judges, we will no longer be a country with Rule of Law. Laws have to be Null and Void—as John Marshall stated—if they are in conflict with the meaning and intention of the Constitution of the U.S.

With no God—there is no consistent standard of Right and Wrong-—it is the whims of whomever has the power, no matter how irrational and evil. Absolute Power always corrupts. History proves it. Atheism leads to the abyss and nihilism—even Nietzsche knew that. Our governments only safeguard is that our Natural Rights come from God—inconsistent with atheists/communists/wiccan/muslims, etc.


34 posted on 07/12/2012 7:42:06 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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