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1 posted on 06/28/2012 1:43:32 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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For all those too stupid to understand......ROBERTS SHREDDED WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE CONSTITUTION TODAY.

He stabbed us all in the back.

Talk about denial.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 2:05:20 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

One hopes.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 2:07:02 PM PDT by pabianice
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Grasping at straws like the Chief Justice himself if he tried to ratioalize this to others this way.

Politics is Power. We did not have it — they did — in 08, 09, 10, with a little less in 11 and 12, but they still have it. If we don’t have our citizenry that votes with us, we have no power save ineffectual rebellion which will work to their advantage.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 2:07:17 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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Oh puhleeze. Putting a bow on cow dung is no more than cow dung with a bow.


42 posted on 06/28/2012 2:10:18 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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I too am feeling better about this. The more I read, the more I start to imagine Roberts as this guy. Photobucket
43 posted on 06/28/2012 2:11:12 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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47 posted on 06/28/2012 2:14:38 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

He ruled that the government is free to force people to do whatever it wants, by increasing the ability of the government to tax anything it wants anyway it wants.

I don't think that's quite the right analysis. He ruled that the Feds didn't need to worry about the commerce clause, that they had the freedom to do whatever they wanted if they called it a tax. And he gave them the freedom to call it a penalty for those times when calling it a tax might impose limitations.

The 16th amendment was the first to allow the Federal government to tax individuals, through their incomes. The constitution doesn't allow direct taxation. Roberts has stretched to 16th to allow any and every form of direct taxation by the Feds.

51 posted on 06/28/2012 2:18:05 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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"Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding."

No, he didn't. He ruled they can't bully states into complying with a massive Medicaid expansion by threatening their existing Medicaid funding.

There was never an option for states to opt out of the Mandate. How can they, when the mandate is being collected from individuals by the IRS?

If Roberts is so smart then why didn't the other 4 conservative judges agree with him? Are liberals the only ones smart enough to agree with Roberts?

What Roberts did was to allow unlimited taxation of individuals for any reason whatsoever, including to coerce individuals into engaging in commerce. That could reasonably have been construed as not allowed by the enumerated powers.

53 posted on 06/28/2012 2:20:31 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Chief Justice Roberts Is A Genius
on the Bizzaro World.
54 posted on 06/28/2012 2:20:31 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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You can't be serious --- Is this The Onion???
62 posted on 06/28/2012 2:25:30 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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The left will say Roberts is there hero, UNTIL, obama wants to do something that Roberts has just limited. Wait until they wake up and realize that Roberts skunked them. Roberts agreed with every argument the conservatives brought up and put it those agreements for conservatives in his findings.

Consider this.

Ezra Klein: The Political Genius of John Roberts

By voting with the liberals to uphold the Affordable Care Act, Roberts has put himself above partisan reproach. No one can accuse Roberts of ruling as a movement conservative. He’s made himself bulletproof against insinuations that he’s animated by party allegiances.
But by voting with the conservatives on every major legal question before the court, he nevertheless furthered the major conservative projects before the court — namely, imposing limits on federal power. And by securing his own reputation for impartiality, he made his own advocacy in those areas much more effective. If, in the future, Roberts leads the court in cases that more radically constrain the federal government’s power to regulate interstate commerce, today’s decision will help insulate him from criticism. And he did it while rendering a decision that Democrats are applauding.


63 posted on 06/28/2012 2:26:43 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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Under Roberts’ reasoning there is no longer a need for a Supreme Court.


66 posted on 06/28/2012 2:34:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Occam’s razor:”other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one.”

The Roberts decision is so complex as to defy reason. One principle of law is what would a reasonable man expect? There is no such standard in this decision. Rather, there is a twisted, convoluted Machiavellian path from A to B that no reasonable person would accept. If something is repeatedly deemed not a tax, by what stretch of the imagination is it suddenly a tax?

Only in a coward’s mind will you find such a connection. John Roberts, see the traitor’s face in the mirror and sleep lightly, if you sleep at all.


68 posted on 06/28/2012 2:40:43 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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God Bless FreeRepublic........

I was very upset this morning, but since then, reviewing articles like this by smart folks....I feel great and ready to vote this scumbag out and hairy harry ried to the back bench....

AND don’t forget what else Roberts knew: Romney will probably win, the senate will go GOP and the taxes that support bambi care were passed with 51 votes and can be killed the same way.......no money no bambi care


69 posted on 06/28/2012 2:43:27 PM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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The commerce clause ruling was 5-4. When Zero is relected, he will get 1-2 more justices. 3-6 after that.

Roberts rewrote the penalty provisions to be taxes. Judges can’t rewrite laws. He murdered the Constitution today.


70 posted on 06/28/2012 2:47:19 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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Only if Patriots figure-out ways to undo this will Roberts look good...in spite of himself. Until then, Roberts screwed the pooch.


74 posted on 06/28/2012 2:50:25 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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bttt


75 posted on 06/28/2012 2:52:50 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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76 posted on 06/28/2012 2:54:12 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

Conservatives on the court don't agree with you
80 posted on 06/28/2012 3:12:09 PM PDT by uncbob
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It’s unreal how many are writing absurd columns like this today. Haven’t these geniuses yet learned that an activist judge will arrive at whatever conclusion he or she wants? Do they honesty think some supposed new restraint on the commerce clause will hold the activists back in the future?


84 posted on 06/28/2012 3:23:51 PM PDT by Will88
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