Posted on 06/11/2012 5:41:04 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
Both Barack Obama II and Stanley Ann Dunham are invented personas.
A male child was born, probably son of Malcolm X and an unknown woman possibly Jo Ann Newman (per Martha Trowbridge). The childs father knew his days were numbered so to protect his only son he arranged with his Muslim and Communist contacts, to have him brought up in Indonesia under the protection of President Sukarno. He was a member of the Presidents extended family and under the direct protection of a high ranking Indonesian special forces officer, Pak Lolo Soetoro (which was probably not his real name). Soetoro did have a wife, and Obama believed her to be his mother, but she was not.
Sukarno was removed from power in March 1967.
In 1971, Obama II was moved to Hawaii, at that point the character of Stanley Ann Dunham was created (the birth certificate they use is illegible and that indicates that it does not support the created identity, and therefor everything after that in her story is also false) to allow a connection with communist agents, the Dunham family, and allow Obama II to be mentored in Communism by Frank Marshall Davis. The Dunhams probably had a son called Stanley Armour Dunham Junior (fate unknown). They initially changed the first names to Shirley Ann, and then ridiculously to Stanley Ann Dunham. SAD was never in Seattle, Why would she go to University there and take a night school or correspondance course)
Obama I was introduce briefy as Obama II's fake father. There probably was a real son of Obama I, but he was sidelined (maybe the Roman Obama who was stranded in KGB training school in Moscow)and the person we now know as Barack Obama II took his identity.
Obama II is a creature of the KGB and the Muslim Brotherhood, who both share aims to impose their way of life on the USA.
The reviewer didn't specifically state that anyone at the hospital remembered SAD and/or Obama. Maybe they just spoke in generalities, or perhaps they demurred on the basis of protecting Obama’s privacy. Who knows?
[If one of them remembered Obama and SAD specifically, and went on the record by name, wouldn't we have heard of it by now?]
Of course. I'm just curious as to their names and if they are quoted since apparently Maraniss and the second reviewer go out of their way to make it appear (as usual) that Obama was born in the Hawaiian hospital. Name names Maraniss or it's worth nothing.
The first reviewer seems to be shocked at the lack of people remembering Obama. Not the kind of remark you'd expect from a book reviewer. I'm kind of shocked by the reviewer's shock. LOL
"I was startled by the sheer number of people Maraniss talks to who do not remember young Barack Obama at all."
Lots of interesting tidbits in these reviews.
Nonsense.
Your comments are all like this--lots of smoke, no fire. You tell me what specific elements of your posts I am misrepresenting; what point you made I didn't respond to.
This is just a wrap up whine to me where you walk away with a general "it ain't so"; respond to nothing; and ignore the substance of the analysis.
In the meantime, you duck me but want to keep beating up on everybody else.
For example, in your #156, you say: They are positing that an established female teen member of an island community could suddenly disappear and no one would notice or comment on that fact. I.e.: SAD attended Mercer High for several yrs. No one has ever gone on record saying SAD informed them of plans to skip her senior yr. In fact, everyone on the record says just the opposite.
But the people pushing the particular conspiracy noted in this thread say otherwise. They claim SAD disappeared off the face of the earth, and not one single solitary soul on Mercer Island thought to comment on that fact.
First place, this all happened fifty-two years ago. The average class age (based on 18 at graduation) now is 70 years. Half the class is dead.
And Mercer Island, and the High School were not a community in the late 1950's as you suggest. In fact, the first class (1959) was admitted to the high school in the fall of 1957 as juniors and it was the only full class in the school.
Mercer Island wasn't a community either--there were only a few people on the entire island--most of the South half of the Island was fairly undeveloped--it was woods.
These class pictures Fred produces are classes from feeder schools that include people who ultimate went to school at the High School--but no one has any real clear idea where Stanley went to her Freshman or Sophomore years in High School.
And you are talking about a person who was not part of the mainstream of the class. Many people who were in the school at the time didn't remember she was there at all. We have one French club picture from what appears to be her junior year that appears to be real. She wasn't anywhere else in the school that anyone remembers or has any record of.
The people supporting the fairy tale have manufactured some pictures by putting her image into pictures of events that did happen--but Stanley was not there.
So now you need to find some individuals in their seventies to step up into the line of fire and say they have clear memories that she was not there as a senior.
No, she wasn't the girl who was pregnant at or before graduation.
It really doesn't surprise anyone who thinks about it that no one except the committed partisans remembers anything about her one way or the other.
And for the most part, people here are not saying what you try to have them say--they aren't saying she wasn't there; people are saying there is no evidence that she was there. The stuff you point to is all committed Liberal Barry supporters burnishing the memory of Stanley--they aren't fact witnesses.
Further, the Mercer Island High School issue is a red herring. Whether she was at Mercer Island in 1960 is really irrelevant to the analysis. The earliest date at which she would have undertaken her role as Barry's Au Pair was mid summer of 60, a month or two after graduation.
And the current view of the facts I am on suggests that in fact she made her deal with his parents a year later in 1961 and that he was in fact probably born in the summer of 61. Whether she graduated from Mercer Island or not is irrelevant.
I don't know where you get the GED degree stuff--there isn't any evidence that she got a GED. The fact that ultimately the University of Hawaii admitted her as a Freshman in 1963 is a pretty good indication that she graduated from High School somewhere. Since Hawaii isn't willing to give you a reliable record of her academic history, you don't know where but you can expect that she graduated from High School.
In looking at the scope of your posts, you look like a Barry supporter here to attempt to respond to some of the obvious disconnects in the story of Dreams. You give away the born in Kenya point--everyone knows that the guy in the White House was not born in Kenya. You give away the obvious fraud and corruption in the state of Hawaii but everyone knows that the public officials in the state of Hawaii are corrupt and are authenticating fraudulent documents to support Barry's position.
Instead, you want to defend what are the real weak points in the fairy tale.
There isn't any evidence Stanley was in Hawaii before 1963. Barry tells us that when he was two (1963), he went to Indonesia. From 1963 to 1966, Stanley was a full time year around student--no record of a child; her mother wasn't taking care of a child either.
The husband of one of Barry's Cousins tells us in the Weekly, long before the fictional conversation with Charlette that there was no baby living on Capital Hill in Seattle in 1961.
Lia the housemaid tells us that Stanley didn't have Barry when she came to Indonesia in 1966 either--that record has been conveniently terminated with Lia but from what she did say, it looks as though Stanley really never got custody of Barry in Indonesia until 1968.
Stanley wasn't his mother.
Looks to me as though you are here on a hole plugging effort for the opposing forces.
. . . . A lot of work here:
# 176 is important.
# 178 and # 179 are important, also.
While in the neighborhood, read # 155 , and # 173 , perhaps check graphic at # 145. - The signature looks like one of the many (forged/ falsified?) signatures we've seen over the years.
Thanks to Brown Deer who provided this link, check it out, too:
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What interview is this? Could you provide a cite, please? I don't think I've read this.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303901504577461660023302338.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
He was an efficient worker (Barf) and an aloof colleague (Of Course). Unlike many of his young co-workers, he never arrived at work late (Barf)—and never stayed late (Of Course). He did what the job required (Barf), "no more and no less."(Of Course)
When one co-worker, knowing that Mr. Obama was a runner, suggested that they jog together after work, Mr. Obama declined, saying: "I don't jog, I run." (Pretentious Jerk - Barf) It appears that he was simply biding time in a world he did not like. (Hurl)
In a letter found by Mr. Maraniss, Mr. Obama's mother wrote a friend: "He calls it working for the enemy (Just like being pResident) because some of the reports are written for commercial firms that want to invest in [Third World] countries."
Not true. The University of Hawaii transcripts indicate she was taking classes in the fall of 1960.
I don't see this as being a cropped portion of a full "class picture" because there are only girls in the photo. A class picture would have all the boys and girls mixed in together.
So every one who disagrees w you is working for Obama?
Everyone whose posts you misrepresent is working for the other side?
Plesae run through the evidence one more time, that indicates I am working for Obama. That is a unique charge. I’ve never heard it before. You are the first. Please lay out that case w a bit more clarity and a few more details.
Thank you in advance.
You might do that, but many people would not. Where there is a strong community and sense of pride in the school, a lot people simply won't rat out their childhood friends. Punahou certainly has that vibe. If Barry missed one or two years of middle or junior high school because he was off attending another school somewhere on the globe under a different name... I don't think his classmates would rat him out.
Mercer Island HS, though public, was/is in an isolated, wealthy community, with a very unconventional revolutionary curriculum and teachers... I can see a similar situation there too. And there is another 20 years of history on Punahou to further cloud the issue.
"Barack Obama: The Story," by David Maraniss, which comes out June 19, discusses the president's early education in Jakarta as well as his years in Hawaii, in college, and beyond. In Jakarta, Mr. Obama was sometimes jokingly referred to as "Bahasa tarzan" and inspired curiosity for having a white mother.
One friend from Occidental College remembers the young Mr. Obama's explanation of his nickname, Barry, as a sort of protective barrier.
According to the book, "one day, as Moore recalled the scene, he and Obama were 'sitting around, discussing the world . . . and I said, 'Barry Obama? What is that derivative of?' And he told me the story of how his mom had met his father. And I had been to Kenya. . . . It was a bit of serendipity in our lives. We were just kind of chatting. I was heckling a bit. . . . 'Barry Obama, what kind of name is that for a brother?' And he said, 'Well, my real name is Buh-ROCK. Barack Obama.' And I said, 'Well, that's a strong name. Rock, Buh-ROCK.' And we laughed about it.'"
Maraniss writes: "He said, 'I go by Barry so I don't have to explain myself to the world. You're my bro, I can give you the background on it.' But it was basically an accommodation to the Anglo world, Anglo society. You don't want to be singled out, necessarily."
Mr. Obama and Moore also bonded over music, debating the meaning of Bob Marley's album "Survival" and the work of Stevie Wonder.
He later transferred to Columbia University, where he became friends with a group of Pakistani students and spoke about his desire to one day become president, according to one friend interviewed in the book.
Mir Mahboob Mahmood, a student at Columbia Law School and a friend of Mr. Obama's in those days, remembers that the two "had known each other only a few months when Obama posed this question to him: 'Do you think I will be president of the United States?'"
"If America is ready for a black president, you can make it," Mahmoud says he told him.
Plummz, I did a few hrs research the other night. I found an overwhelming wealth of info that indicates SAD graduated from Mercer Island Hi. I posted a few of the links. I was brutally a t t a c k e d. After that I inquired why the people who maintain SAD never graduated from Mercer Hi haven’t done at least a little of the same research I did in those few short hrs. I’ve been a t t a c k e d and demonized ever since. It is insane, if not outright psychotic.
I’m an Australian, I do not know all of your customs, but one freeper did tell me there is/was an occasion during high school, where all the girls of a grade will/did pose in their high school sweaters, and all hold the same pose as the photograph is taken.
She’s a ‘woman of a certain age’ who maintains she has a similar grade photograph in her own album.
To her eye, there are girls missing on the left of the image, there were less girls in the back row than in the front, SAD is an addition/insertion - and if she (freeper) had turned up for that photograph session without her sweater, she would not have been in the photograph she has in her album.
I was just throwing that out there. As a private school, I think Punahou alums would be a lot more likely to cover for their classmates, especially one who became President.
Punahue never even came up in the discussion in question. The issue was whether SAD graduated from Mercer Island Hi. There is a vast amount of evidence saying she did. My question is twofold: why was I the first to dig up all this evidence, and why was I villified and smeared for doing so.
And Obama was rescued from the tower by the Handsome Prince when he let out his fro.
I am a birther because I believe there are serious problems with his citizenship documentation and personal history.
But this story is a fairy tale, with no relation to Occam’s Razor.
Not true. The University of Hawaii transcripts indicate she was taking classes in the fall of 1960.
Show me.
The document you attach is not a transcript. It is just another letter from a Hawaii official supporting the fairy tale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterman_%28sports%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_letter
They can then buy a "letter jacket" or "letter sweater" to display the letter and their status.
The sweaters have gone out of fashion, but letter jackets are still around. It may be that in the 1950s, girls wore letter sweaters and boys had jackets.
So, Ann posing with her club without a letter sweater may be because she was a manager, or she was on the junior varsity team and hadn't earned a letter, or because as a budding class warrior she eschewed status symbols and refused to buy or wear an "elitist" letter.
I'm not saying for sure the photo isn't shopped, but those are all possible reasons why she isn't dressed like the other girls on the photo. It would be nice to have more context -- like the rest of the photo, the rest of the yearbook page, the captions, etc.
This is not a document. This is just an unbacked claim by some guy posting on the Internet to support his fairy tale.
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