Posted on 05/28/2012 11:45:53 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Senators should represent the interests of their states and not the masses.
Clause 1: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, ....
It was a sad day when the Roosevelt family immigrated to this country.
Democracy eventually kills. Lots. Every time.
My only problem with the 17th is that it never passed. Total fraud.
What Lincoln started Roosevelt finished.
I am not from SC but does anyone think SC legislature would pick Goober Graham for Senator? I lived in Chas. SC for 4 years it is a very conservative state.
I actually think that Teddy Roosevelt wasn't right in the head (I believe many of his contemporaries felt the same way.)
Also think that it should be illegal for states' congressional delegation to receive any out-of-state funding.
The 17th basically affirmed the rapid decline of federalism, all in the name of “populism.” Essentially, a majority of States could then supersede another’s Legislative actions.
If any State wanted popular election of their Senators (or outright appointment by the Governor, or one from each branch, or whatever), that was always possible w/o this amendment...
Wasn’t Teddy a spoiler in the election that gave America Woodrow Wilson, in much the same way Ross Perot gave America the Clintons?
How would that work if the compact agreed to and ratified by the states says:
“Clause 1: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, ....”
Yup. He ran as a severe conservative and took a hard left in office.
Interesting post. If you want to liven things up a bit, ping BlackElk. I tangled with him last week on the subject of 17th amendment, when discussing out of state interests and money getting senators elected to represent interests not of their own state.
He considers himself a conservative, but supports the direct election of senators and thinks the progressive movement isn’t all bad.
Interesting post. If you want to liven things up a bit, ping BlackElk. I tangled with him last week on the subject of 17th amendment, when discussing out of state interests and money getting senators elected to represent interests not of their own state.
He considers himself a conservative, but supports the direct election of senators and thinks the progressive movement isnt all bad.
Might could look at it that way, except Ross Perot did not throw the election to the Clintons, although the moderate republicans like to explain their failures that way.
By the way, the other guy in that election, Taft, also supported the constitutional Amendment creating the Federal Income Tax. What was Taft’s position on creation of a private central bank called the Federal Reserve? And the 17th Amendment? Or did he even have a campaign promise out there dealing with the fed and the 17th?
Of course Ross Perot threw the election to the Clintons. It’s a question of arithmetic. Clinton did not have the ability to reach 50%. Period. In a 2-person race, Clinton was a sure loser.
You don’t/didn’t like Bush, fine. You voted for Perot, fine. That was certainly your right.
But don’t try to fudge the arithmetic. Clinton was locked into less than 50%. Without Ross Perot, no President Clinton. It’s simple arithmetic.
(Or are you one of those who believe that if the party says that 2 + 2 = 5, then 2 + 2 really does equal 5?)
If your unicameral State Legislature wants to rubber-stamp a Governor's recommendation, say, or your State House selects one member while the local Senate the other, I as a New Yorker should have no say in the process.
As a citizen, this might be another consideration (as with Entitlement policies or immigration laws) regarding relocation to a friendlier region.
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