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To: Hodar

While Nietzsche would certainly approve of your position, Darwinian survivalism is not the supreme good in a Christian worldview. We oppose abortion because we value every human life as a reflection of the image of God, not because we think every life will turn out good. Self-murder, whether through drugs or by any other means, is as anathema to a healthy culture as infanticide. Both deeds devalue life and undermine the duties we have to each other.

I do not want people dying, simply because they got trapped in a bad behavior. Yes, people who begin to do this later in life have to face the moral as well as the physical consequences of their stupid choices. But as I tried telling you before, many people are drawn into this as very young people. They know adults, mostly family, who are already in the abyss, and they are dragging them down into it before the child is really free to make their own “stupid” choices. And there is malice aforethought by those who provision such drugs to young people. It gives them power, because it gives them coercive control over people who would not make those choices if they were truly free. It is a way to breed slaves and wealth.

If you were truly interested in freedom, I would think you would be amenable to finding ways to prevent coercion of our young people into lives of corruption, and law is a valid and useful way to do that. Human law is nothing more than people agreeing on how they will live together. Unfortunately, because we are not yet in Heaven, such rule-making is necessary. Force must be met with force. Those agreements we call law have no power to protect us if they cannot be enforced. The will to enforce good law is foundational to conservatism, i.e., to conserving what is good. Capitulation only leads to further losses.

BTW, your last post is rife with assumptions that are not well-grounded in what I actually said. Addiction in its many forms eventually takes complete control, makes otherwise rational people do irrational things, not because it is cool or exotic or hard to get or classy or classless or whatever, but because you can’t not do it. The “cool” meme is just a thin papering over used to explain to ones self and others why there is no ability to say no. It’s a flimsy rationalization for a disturbing reality. That’s all. The reality under the façade is much darker. If you’ve never experienced it, you don’t know what I mean. Better for you if you don’t. But you do have it wrong.


65 posted on 05/23/2012 12:26:19 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

You won’t find a single Libertarian who will support the idea of NOT saving a child. A child is incapable of making choices, as they do not realize the consequences, and have no power to enforce their decisions. This goes for kiddie porn, just like it goes for adults dragging kids into drugs. Those are unfit parents, and practically any Libertarian would support the Gov’t taking the child away from the abusive parent. At the same time, Libertarians feel it is not the Gov’t job to be involved either for or against Abortion. God is the judge, not me and not you. I and I alone will answer for my actions, and you for yours.

Neitzche espoused that “God is Dead” - not a common thought amongst Libertarians. The idea of truly “free choice” is pretty much paramount to what many consider to be Christ’s plan for salvation. If you have no choice in matters, how can you make a ‘wrong’ choice? We grow from our mistakes, if we are prohibited from making mistakes, we cease to grow.

If someone opts to commit suicide, that is their decision. This is between God and them. That said, if someone cries for help, I am obligated to do my best to rescue them. If someone is contemplating suicide, I will strive my best to get them help, to talk them out of a rash decision. However, if they are determined to do so, who are we to say “Sorry, I can’t allow you to do this; because I don’t approve of what you are doing”. In my view, this is the most dangerous thing a human can do to another; for you are forcing him to make a very critical decision. Does he want to die enough, that he will willingly kill you in order to further his goal?

We each are on earth for exactly 1 lifetime. No more, no less. In our allotted time we must make decisions that will have eternal consequences. For me to make decisions for you is to rob you of your just reward (for good, or ill).

I disagree with your statement about the helplessness of an addict. We are not animals, we have an intellect, we have a will. We each will chose what we will chose, and there are consequenes to these decisions. Some decisions are mundane, some are very important. But, for someone else to interject their values upon someone else, is to enslave that individual. An addict isn’t “stupid”, he has made a decision (a stupid decision) that drugs are more important than anything else. At the point he realizes his error, I and many others, will rush to help and support him in his recovery. But, to force a ‘recovery’ on an unwilling subject is to enslave him.

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works” Rev. 20:13


68 posted on 05/23/2012 12:52:47 PM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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