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It's Time for a Chess Match, Not a Yelling Match (How do conservatives win?)
Freerepublic.com ^ | 5/1/2012 | mongrel

Posted on 05/01/2012 8:27:38 AM PDT by mongrel

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Are we ready to look for solutions rather than calling each other names? What do you all think?
1 posted on 05/01/2012 8:27:56 AM PDT by mongrel
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Are we ready to look for solutions rather than calling each other names?

Probably not ....

2 posted on 05/01/2012 8:31:24 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

“Probably not ....”

Second that.


3 posted on 05/01/2012 8:36:54 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: mongrel
"I believe we need to start planning now for the 2016 presidential election."

If Perry indeed runs in 2016, I have my candidate.

4 posted on 05/01/2012 8:40:09 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: mongrel

Do you want corny, short-term solutions that won’t mean diddly squat decades from now or do you want meaningful, well thought out, long-term solutions?

Here’s a hint:
Why do you think the NRA has been so successful with their campaign to liberalize the firearms laws here in the USA over the past 30 years?


5 posted on 05/01/2012 8:40:27 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: mongrel

It’s very simple.

I’m going to vote for the northeastern liberal Romney because his opponent is a red communist muslim, and that is all there is to it.


6 posted on 05/01/2012 8:41:08 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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What do you all think?

Insurrection in November after the election results are known.
7 posted on 05/01/2012 8:42:35 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (If you want to kick a tiger in the ass, you better have a plan for dealing with his teeth.)
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To: mongrel

One more term for Obama will destroy the US. Nothing else matters for now.


8 posted on 05/01/2012 8:42:56 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: brownsfan

Yeah, put me in for Thirds.


9 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:31 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: mongrel

The MittBots are having too much fun acting like TSA agents...

Every little old white American Grannie who wont vote for Willie Mitty is suspected of carrying a contrabad vote for Obama...

My good conservative name has been well groped...


10 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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Here’s where conservatives have failed:

The Tea Party movement never organized into something cohesive with clear leadership. Instead, we have different factions - all claiming to be THE Tea Party - with different leaders spread out across the 50 states. There is no clear hierarchy.

While that may sound good at first, it dilutes the movement. Instead of the grassroots effort turning into something bigger, I’ve started to ignore the countless emails I get from all these branches. Why? Because I have NO IDEA who is really requesting money. Oh yeah - that’s pretty much all I see these days, too: requests for money... to a nebulous organization with no clear leadership.

All these Tea Party leaders need to rally around someone like Allen West (for example). They need to create a national organization with clearly defined leadership and goals. We’ll never break the back of the GOP establishment and create a TRUE conservative movement unless we join forces.

Now, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe something is being done to organize this. But I follow FR pretty religiously and consider myself pretty well-informed. If I’ve missed it, a lot of others have as well.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 8:48:23 AM PDT by bolobaby
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Bingo, and every time someone said it needed leadership or structure, it was shot down.

You are also right about the fundraising part. There was actual fraud going on. The Dems put up fake Tea Party groups and candidates to run against Republicans and at least one major so-called Tea Party website was run by some email marketing scammers who were using it for data gathering.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 8:50:44 AM PDT by mnehring
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—Perhaps we need to stop arguing about whether or not we rally behind Romney and begin to think long-term. —

That is exactly why I bought my small farm in central Rural KY two weeks before the 2008 election, and moved there last August, leaving my home of 45 years, Seattle.

Looking for politicians to solve this or help is like looking to the Crew of the titanic to help when the icy Atlantic is starting to lap at the door to the Bridge.

You are on your own. Make the most of it.

In our case, we just started planting the 1/4 acre garden and finished the chicken coop for our 14 layers. Next is Beef.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 8:51:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Looking for politicians to solve this or help is like looking to the Crew of the titanic to help when the icy Atlantic is starting to lap at the door to the Bridge.

Exactly. Conservatives have gotten in the habit of looking for someone 'from the government who is here to help'.

14 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:39 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: CatherineofAragon

I don’t believe there will be a 2016 “election”. I see a different future and prepare for that one.


15 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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You never know. Personally, I believe we’re probably heading toward the end times——all bets are off, if that’s the case.


16 posted on 05/01/2012 8:59:02 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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>> Are we ready to look for solutions rather than calling each other names? What do you all think?

Who are you accusing of name calling, “weasel breath”? :-)

My personal fave solution to the nation’s problems is right wing death squads, but I imagine that’s a non-starter with you namby-pamby civilized work-within-the-system types.


17 posted on 05/01/2012 9:03:01 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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—You never know. Personally, I believe we’re probably heading toward the end times——all bets are off, if that’s the case.—

Me too. I hope not, for my children’s and grandchildren’s sake. But there is no solution to the current problem. The man is at the door. They can’t kick the can much further down the road.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 9:03:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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We cannot win if we are fighting both the Republicans and the Democrats at the same time (as we are doing now).

First we have to beat the Republicans, then we can run real conservative candidates.


19 posted on 05/01/2012 9:03:52 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: mongrel

Nice thought, but how do you play chess with an opponent who only knows checkers? Clearly, rules have to be taught. And dey no likey rules. I don’t know of a way around this. Other than severe pain for the “aspiring” student. They have to want to learn the rules, which are a bit convoluted in chess for a brand new newbie who has never played. I think this is kind of a fundamental issue. Learning rules of a new game gets you no benefit for the effort, and you know you are going to get slaughtered the first 300 games you play after you learn the rules. So how do you get people who expect their stuff for free to subject themselves to that learning curve/loss curve? Except, as I said, by having it demonstrated to them that their current course is a near death experience.


20 posted on 05/01/2012 9:04:27 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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