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And I always thought sex was the problem in Sodom. This is something for Christian Republicans to think about. Obviously we can't support the abortion politicians in the Democratic party. We need to get some Republicans to change their serve the rich mentality.
1 posted on 03/28/2012 8:52:22 AM PDT by kathsua
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In any case, your whole case is bogus. People with high incomes already pay the lion’s share of the taxes. Half the people pay effectively no income tax at all.

The highest income people are business people. Increase taxes on businesses, and you increase the price of the product. You may think the rich are paying it, but actually you pay it when you buy the milk at the store. There is no way to insulate yourself from the effects of high taxes. Tax the oil companies: you pay the tax at the gas pump. When they raised diesel taxes, groceries went up because everything moves by diesel.

You can’t raise taxes on the rich without raising costs for the poor. It can’t be done.

The best defense against poverty ever invented is a family and a job. Everything you do that encourages those two, reduces poverty. Everything you do that undercuts those two, spreads poverty and increases the intensity of it.


26 posted on 03/28/2012 9:31:10 AM PDT by marron
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To: kathsua
Actually, when I studied The Bible, one of the biggest evils practiced by the residents of Sodom was their treatment of strangers and travelers.

Regarding Christian Republicans not "caring" about the poor, I would say that they realize it's not the responsibility of government to do it. There's no such things as coerced charity. And leftists see government as a tool to relieve them of the responsibility to be charitable, and as has been shown over and over again, leftists tend to be less charitable as individuals.

For too long, government, big business (GE anyone?), and "big finance" (GS anyone?) have had a corrupt relationship. That can be fixed, but unfortunately, it can be laid at the footsteps of everyone in politics. People really should be seeing some serious prison time for what they've done to the country, but the problem is that the people who make and enforce the laws are in bed with the law breakers.

Mark

27 posted on 03/28/2012 9:31:28 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: kathsua
We need to get some Republicans to change their serve the rich mentality.

Why limit this to Republicans? Democrats are just as bad in terms of crony capitalism.

28 posted on 03/28/2012 9:34:45 AM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: kathsua

Jude 1:7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.


29 posted on 03/28/2012 9:36:04 AM PDT by DManA
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Jude 1:7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.


30 posted on 03/28/2012 9:36:47 AM PDT by DManA
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All of the homo-theologians use this scripture to justify their behavior. By no means are we a society that "serves the rich". If anything we are a society that favors the poor!

Progressive Taxation
Entitlements
Affirmative Action
etc.

In fact, the Word of God forbids the "favoring of the poor" (Exodus 23:3).

Having said that, the democrats, by dispensing America's wealth to the poor through the violent taxation confiscation, only "enable the poor". It keeps them in servitude. Welfare begets welfare.

It is the "placate the mob" mentality for their own political ends. Why else do we only see rampant homosexual in non-conservative societies????
31 posted on 03/28/2012 9:37:41 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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On what basis does the writer deem that Republicans mistreat the poor? Our government is almost 15 TRILLION dollars in debt. We have had Republican Presidents and Congresses. Seems they have not shorted the poor on other people money!


32 posted on 03/28/2012 9:43:29 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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“Why do Christians support Republicans who don't believe in helping the poor?”

That's total nonsense. Statistics show that conservatives are much more generous to charitable causes than are liberals.

Unlike liberals, we just don't believe in letting the government take the money by force and apply, steal it or waste it as they see fit. Nowhere in the Bible does God suggest that taxing your neighbor is charity. Charity is a freewill choice and therein lies the rub. Libs are all about their own free choice but contemptuous of granting the same to their neighbors.

And please do some study, regarding Sodom. The shallow attempts to reboot God's moral view is tiresome. Read the text (Genesis 18 - 19) then read Leviticus 18 and 20.

This is not to say that Sodom's ONLY offenses were sexual but to try to hand-wave them away is sophistry.

33 posted on 03/28/2012 9:44:10 AM PDT by GlenRoss ("I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go.")
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First, thanks for posting this. I consider it a kind of review question for life’s final exam.

I will answer that my becoming a Republican was based on my realization that allowing people to flourish and enjoy the fruit of their labor encouraged more labor, and this in turn produced greater innovation, wealth, comfort and happiness for everyone— especially the poor.

I would rather be the poorest of the poor in this country than a ‘wealthy’ person in some other countries.

This is a pragmatic position, but I think it’s a wise and benevolent one. It’s said that Adam Smith tackled this problem in the last major effort of his life. He died before he could complete it and much of this work was destroyed in accordance with his wishes. It’s a shame we don’t have more of his thoughts on this.

We are obliged to others, and embattled as we are, are prone to resort to less able thinkers — Ayn Rand for example— for our replies to our critics.


34 posted on 03/28/2012 9:50:52 AM PDT by tsomer
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“Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me...” The Hebrew word translated “detestable” refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an “abomination.” Similarly, Jude 7 declares, “...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.” So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.”

http://www.gotquestions.org/Sodom-and-Gomorrah.html

As others have pointed out, the problem with Democrats is they want to tell God, “We are good people. We gave OTHER PEOPLE’S money to the poor...”


35 posted on 03/28/2012 9:54:08 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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What?Are you out of your mind, Christian Republicans? Why don’t you examine yourself and get the log out of your eye, you sanctimonious ass.


36 posted on 03/28/2012 9:54:38 AM PDT by richardtavor
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The Christian message is clear: you should freely give to the poor. But when the government does it, it is not “freely given”.

If you think that you should give to the poor, do it. I agree. But the bottom line is this:

The conservative thinks he should give to the poor, so he does.

A liberal thinks he should give to the poor, so he creates welfare and FORCES tax payers, via the power of the gun, to give to the poor.

See the difference?


37 posted on 03/28/2012 9:55:04 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Wow are you ever confused!

It is a Christian duty to care for the poor.

Do you generally feel that the Government can and should fulfill your Christian duty on your behalf?

Did the Jesus you believe in say “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s - and Caesar will render unto the Lord on your behalf.”?


38 posted on 03/28/2012 9:57:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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“How should God approve of the taking from Peter, and giving this robbery to Paul, in the name of Christ?”


39 posted on 03/28/2012 10:00:38 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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I see in scripture a mandate to individuals, churches, AND governments to help the poor and needy. There has to be balance though as you need to maintain a strong economy in order to be in a position to help the poor.

Some in the GOP, especially libertarians, hate government so much that they refuse to recognize the scriptural mandate to governments to help the poor. Marron's post #2 is an example.

The same characters typically also hate taxes so much that they refer to it as "theft at the point of a gun", instead of recognizing the scriptural mandate to pay taxes to those whom taxes are due.

40 posted on 03/28/2012 10:04:14 AM PDT by DannyTN
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There were many sins in Sodom, but there can be no doubt that sexual perversion was a big part:

Jude 1:7
“just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.”

2Peter 2:7-8
“and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds)”


41 posted on 03/28/2012 10:16:20 AM PDT by Shelayne
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Oh please Republican give more to charity than anyone else it is the forced taking of things we are against.


42 posted on 03/28/2012 10:23:54 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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Many members of the Republican Party have a problem with this same sin. So why do Christians in the Republican Party encourage this sin by supporting low taxes for those with high incomes? Why do Christians support Republicans who don't believe in helping the poor?
 
 
~SNIP~
 

Christian Republicans need to recognize that abortion and sexual morality aren't the only moral issues in politics. Mistreatment of the poor and how the rich acquire wealth are at least as important. Christians need to move away from the greedy Republicans who believe the rich should escape the taxes needed to fund government.


 
I can't believe this garbage was blogged at Townhall. And I can't believe you fell for it.
 
IBTZ 

47 posted on 03/28/2012 10:43:06 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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"Many members of the Republican Party have a problem with this same sin. So why do Christians in the Republican Party encourage this sin by supporting low taxes for those with high incomes? Why do Christians support Republicans who don't believe in helping the poor?"

Unlike the author of those words, Christian Republicans can separate out the role that we might expect from society as a whole, in all its elements, and the role of government.

The politicized benevolence of government is not Christian charity, and its not even about giving. Its about taking; that is taking from your neighbors what you think they don't deserve to fund the benevolence that is of your choosing.

Being a democracy does not take away the fact that it - government benevolence - is a taking. It's still 51 out of 100 telling the other 49 what will be done whether they like it or not. Nothing Christian or charitable about that.

Luke and other gospels carry a statement by Jesus about the problem facing the rich. " Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." Luke 18:24-5

The moral lesson in those verses is not that the problem is the fact that the rich man is rich, or even that he should not have become so rich. The moral lesson is that the wealth of the rich man can be a moral hazard for the rich man. He can buy immunity from the law from corrupt officials. He can try to buy love. He can betray love, using his wealth escaping into depravity. He can act, throug his wealth, in dozens of ways where with his wealth he may behave as if he is "getting away" with things that morally even he knows are wrong; things a man of low means would not even think of attempting. The moral lesson about the rich man is that his riches can tempt him in ways that only riches can. The rich man has more temptations put in front of him. His life is filled with many more opportunities for temptation to steer him to do wrong. It is harder for the rich man to get into heaven NOT because he is rich but because the opportunity to give into temptation is greater in his life. That's what those verses are about.

Ignorant Liberals preach about some "lower tax" not taking enough from someone, someone they think "deserves" to pay more.

They are ignorant, because if the effort is for greater revenue, for whatever purpose, they would learn the lessons from economists who demonstrate that "higher" taxes most often do not generate higher revenue (no matter how much "more" they think they're taxing someone) and "lower" taxes quite often do generate more revenue.

48 posted on 03/28/2012 10:49:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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> Why do Christians support Republicans who don’t believe in helping the poor?

What an IDJIT!

Helping the poor must be done by GIVING, NOT BY GOVERNMENT CONFISCATION BY THREAT OF FORCE!!!

What is it about the difference between Charity and Theft that these LOSERS just don’t understand?

“Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”
~ 2nd Corinthians 2:9


49 posted on 03/28/2012 10:52:59 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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