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Why did the DHS just order 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition?
Fellowship of the Minds ^ | Steve

Posted on 03/19/2012 6:39:45 PM PDT by angelcindy

DHS ALSO HAS A BID OUT FOR 175 MILLION ROUNDS OF . 223 OR M-16/

REQUIREMENT: The total requirement is to provide an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in the base year and an estimated 33 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber SD and 2 million rounds of .223 Remington Caliber EP ammunition in each of four option years in accordance with Attachment 2, Statement of Work for .223 Remington Caliber SD and .223 Remington Caliber EP Ammunition.

The Department of Homeland security has just executed an order for enough rounds of 40 caliber ammunition to kill every man, woman and child in the United States.

A shocking new defense contract entered by the Department of Homeland Security to secure a massive amount of ammunition, with the option for infinite supply and infinite delivery, raises the question of just what they are preparing for? Massive civil unrest? An invasion by a foreign power?

The order is to supply 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition, which is more than one bullet for every single person in the United States.

The contract also comes with the additional caveat that the order is forward-looking, which means it can be revised upward or downward depending on a variety of factors, some of which also happen to contribute to civil unrest — including governmental spending, budgetary policies and economic conditions.

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To: riverrunner

“Thousands of agents shooting qualifications several times a year. Use a lot of ammo.”

Assume 20,000 agents (seems like a lot, though, doesn’t it?), 450,000,000 rounds, is 22,500 rounds per agent. Let’s say 10 times a year, so now they’re shooting 2,250 rounds each time. Even if they’re using 20-round magazines, they’re going through 112 clips each time....?

So is that a lot per outing, or is my agent estimate too low?


21 posted on 03/19/2012 6:55:20 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: BO Stinkss

http://www.luckygunner.com/federal-40-s-w-ammo-for-sale-40sw180hstjhpfedxm40hc-50

You can get the same ammo as TSA JBT’s.

If there are overruns now, why do they order more?


22 posted on 03/19/2012 6:56:09 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: mnehring; angelcindy
They didn’t “order” that much, they have a contract that locks the price in for up to 450 million rounds for an extended period of time. In other words, someone isn’t shipping 450 million rounds to someone this year

You seem to have all the details.

Extended time? Not being shipped this year?

How long?

When is it being shipped?

US Army for example.... If they blow off 50 rounds of pistol ammo per week in practice

If ya think everyone in active duty/non-activy duty U.S. Army are blowing through 50 rounds every week, for target practice, you're in lala land.

23 posted on 03/19/2012 6:59:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: angelcindy

because they have a whole bunch of .40 caliber guns?


24 posted on 03/19/2012 6:59:42 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: treetopsandroofs

LOL....


25 posted on 03/19/2012 7:00:31 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: riverrunner
Thousands of agents shooting qualifications several times a year.

Because they need so much practice to kill dogs.

26 posted on 03/19/2012 7:00:53 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Even at 30,000 agents, that over 15,000 pistol rounds each...

LOL!


27 posted on 03/19/2012 7:03:38 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: treetopsandroofs
So is that a lot per outing, or is my agent estimate too low?

You estimate is far too low as well as frequency. Let's just take DHS for example as they have the specific contract (but it isn't stated if that contract extends to other agencies like the DOD).

Just the 'armed' departments under DHS include: FBI, US Marshall Service, ICE, Federal Air Marshall Service, Secret Service, Layered Nuclear Defense Agency, National Fugitive Operations Service, Protective Investigation Service, Diplomat Security Service, US Coast Guard...etc.. (say close to 100K armed under this umbrella)

There also is the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in which many State and Local law enforcement agencies receive training.

You also have to account that members of some of these agencies are practicing every week, not just a few times a year for qualification.

Then, take into account that the contract isn't a 1 lump sum 450 million rounds but simply locking in a contract up to five years for up to 450 million rounds at that price. They could buy one thousand rounds or one million rounds. It isn't a sale, just a pricing agreement.

It isn't as scary as people are making it out to be. Especially when one considers how many billions of rounds taxpayers buy for government agencies each year. (I'm sure the DOD umbrella burns through several billion alone).

28 posted on 03/19/2012 7:03:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: TribalPrincess2U
We use to make our own. Was a lot cheaper. And it was for hunting deer that we ate all summer long in lunches and steaks. It’s probably illegal now.

Not yet. Not a bad time to stock up on reloading supplies. You can still get some good deals at gun shows from private sellers.

29 posted on 03/19/2012 7:04:01 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: La Lydia

This isolated set of facts, with nothing to compare them to, tell us nothing.”

Patience Prudence - I am sure there is a whole slew of investigative reporters working on this story right now and they’ll be right back with all the details. /sarc


30 posted on 03/19/2012 7:04:31 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Not illegal yet. Getting pretty expensive but not illegal.


31 posted on 03/19/2012 7:05:17 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

C) Generate commissions and profits for Obama’s political allies.


32 posted on 03/19/2012 7:06:02 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: bigbob
They'd wear out their freaking pistols before they burn through 450,000,000 rounds.

There is no way these people " target practice" this much, unless their each burning through *thousands* of rounds every damn week. Come on.

In fact, few people who are *totally* in pistol shooting, shoot anywhere near these number of rounds.

33 posted on 03/19/2012 7:08:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mnehring
What's in it for the amo factors?

They could buy one thousand rounds or one million rounds. It isn't a sale, just a pricing agreement.

35 posted on 03/19/2012 7:09:25 PM PDT by DManA
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To: angelcindy

Meanwhile, the drumbeat of Dictator Baby-Doc Barak continues to grow louder - - .


36 posted on 03/19/2012 7:11:03 PM PDT by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: dragnet2

When my brother was in the army he told me he would go a long, long, time between going to the range.


37 posted on 03/19/2012 7:11:11 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: DManA
What's in it for the amo factors?

High volume contracts irregardless of market circumstances.

38 posted on 03/19/2012 7:13:35 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: treetopsandroofs

It is a five year contract


39 posted on 03/19/2012 7:13:45 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: mnehring

You just said they could buy as little as little as a thousand rounds. Did I misunderstand you? Did you misspeak?


40 posted on 03/19/2012 7:16:03 PM PDT by DManA
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