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Vital Records Indicate Obama Not Born In Hawaii Hospital (PART 3)
thedailypen.blogspot.com ^ | 3/12/2012 | Penbrook Johannson and Daniel Crosby

Posted on 03/13/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by rxsid

"VITAL RECORDS INDICATE OBAMA NOT BORN IN HAWAII HOSPITAL (PART 3)

DIRTY LITTLE SECRET: Historical evidence provided by the National Center for Health Statistics and the U.S. Reference Library System now confirms the information appearing within the image of Obama’s alleged 1961 “Certificate of Live Birth” disregards his actual foreign birthplace while, instead, providing a statistically based “geographic allocation” which is a result of a widely misunderstood natality data reporting policy which began in 1950. Stalling for four years since Obama announced his candidacy in February of 2007, under mounting political pressures and legal challenges, the White House unveiled a lone scrap of counterfeit information in the form of a desolate internet image which, after a six month criminal investigation, now confirms that Obama’s presidency is the single greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.
By Penbrook Johannson and Daniel Crosby

NEW YORK, NY – Barack Obama has misled millions into believing he is eligible to hold the office of the U.S. presidency by exploiting a little known secret about his Hawaiian-based natal records which were issued in conjunction with a commonly used, but publicly misunderstood, vital statistics reporting anomaly used to allocate birthplace according to residency by the State of Hawaii in 1961.
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As early as 1934, this arbitrary, but necessary method was enacted by the U.S. Census Bureau and later written into law with the passage of the Model State Vital Statistics Act of 1942. It was then fully adopted by all state-level vital records agencies, including those within the then territory of Hawaii, in 1950 in order to improve the collaborative accuracy of data harvested by America’s decadal census and statistics reported annually by state vital records agencies.
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The birthplace shown on a birth certificate is entered as the result of the mother’s place of residence, not the location of the occurrence of the birth.
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As discussed previously in parts one and two of this report, the combination of Hawaii’s unique culture, isolated geographic characteristics, unfettered immigration policy and municipal development challenges in the 1960s prompted the use of vital records registration protocols by the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health which undermine the reliability of birth certificate information as a means of determining the natural-born citizenship of any individual.

However, it is now clear that Obama exploited the existence of a widely misunderstood natal data reporting method implemented by the federal government, 11 years before his birth certificate was issued, based on an arbitrary statistical application which classifies the actual place of birth by allocating it as occurring in the same location as the mother’s “place of residence”. This allocation is made regardless of the actual location of the birth because the data provided about the birth to the Census Bureau is used for calculating the impact of natality on resident population and, therefore, must be recorded by the registrar using the same criteria used to count those defined as residents by the Census.

The allocation of births to “place of residence” protocol was implemented sporadically beginning in 1935 to provide for statistical integrity between decadal Census data collection and more frequently collected natality rates taken from real-time birth registrations. Prior to the implementation of the policy, the accumulative affect of non-resident and foreign birth statistics on U.S. birth volumes caused a skewing of natality rates when compared to Census population rate data. These errors had to be corrected in order to use the data for accurately measuring resources in developing public health services, municipal infrastructure and women’s reproductive health research.

Between 1937 and 1949, the NCHS published the annual version of its statistical reporting manuals containing a section called “Vital Statistics of the U.S., Part II Geographic Classification By Place of Residence” which explains, among many other arbitrary rules, the reasoning and methods used to show natal statistics for foreign-born children of U.S. resident mothers.

The manuals repetitively explain that the tabulation of vital statistics taken from birth certificates, on a “place-of-residence” basis, requires that the information given on the certificate must be allowed “to be interpreted in such a way” as to afford statistical classifications of birth geography used to calculate natality rates which are comparable with statistical classifications of population geography used to account census data.

This means the Hawaiian registrar was/is directed to record the place of birth as being the same as the mother's place of residence, regardless of where it actually occurred. This explains why Obama’s alleged 1961 “Certificate of Live Birth” states that his birthplace was in Hawaii even though he was not likely born there. His birth affected the population of the community where his mother lived, not where she gave birth to him.

Since the Bureau of Census held authority over both the implementation of the census and the standards for collecting and reporting vital records until the 1960s, this policy was implemented using the census’ population enumeration protocols as the standard by which all vital statistics data was to be collected and processed. This is logical since the collection of census data on a decadal frequency is what drives long-term public health services and municipal funding in the U.S. Of course, therefore, population is directly affected by statistics taken from vital records documenting birth data, as well as mortality data.

The NCHS assumed authority over vital statistics management under the U.S. Department of Health, Welfare and Education when the National Vital Statistics Division and the Office of Public Health Survey were combined in 1960.

The Origins of Birthplace Allocation By “Place of Residence”

The Vital Statistics Instruction Manual (VSIM) and Vital Statistics of the U.S. Report state:

Historical information referencing “resort states” provides a weighty indictment against Obama’s claim to Hawaiian birth origins. The resort states in the U.S. in 1961 were Florida, Nevada (Las Vegas) and Hawaii. An analysis of the changes in population outside of urban areas of these states confirms this report’s accurate assessment. Hawaii’s population outside of Honolulu increased by 97% between 1950 and 1960. This rate is the highest behind Florida’s, during this same time, whose population rate outside of Miami increased by 161% due to a flood of Cuban aliens fleeing Castro’s communist regime, and Las Vegas’ population which exploded between 1950 and 1960 as a result of that state’s legalization of gambling, prostitution and the development of Las Vegas’ Sunset Strip casinos.

Beginning in 1950, all natality data was exclusively reported based on “place of residence” of the mother. The manual for that year states:

“…births and deaths were assigned to the actual place of residence, no matter where they occurred.”

Birth Certi-Fiction

Based on the continued development of criteria between 1935 and 1961, the alleged year of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, the definition of residency in relation to birth statistics collection was refined to provide more accuracy in natality rates so as to demonstrate the impact of births on resident population, therefore, providing better Census and Vital Record data collaboration, without regard for the actual location of the occurrence of the birth.

These revisions included the standardization of the template form of the U.S. “Certificate of Live Birth”, in coordination with the Public Health Conference on Vital Records and Statistics in 1956, which would clearly provide referential uniformity for NCHS coding efforts when classifying geography of vital records origination. The revisions allowed coding and data collection from the “Location of Birth” and “Usual Residence of Mother” entry boxes from all certificates in the same manner, not just for those recording births occurring in the U.S., but also for births occurring to U.S. residents, anywhere.
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The standard certificate used for births occurring in the U.S. must also be used for births occurring outside of the U.S. to resident mothers, but both circumstances had to provide the same formatting of information for data classification. Therefore, the location of the birth must state that the birth occurred in the U.S. in order for data from the certificate to be reported as a birth which impacts U.S. and state population figures. Simply stated, there is not a separate certificate for births occurring in the U.S. and births occurring outside of the U.S. to residents of the U.S., but both circumstances are recorded as births which, obviously, impact the population and municipal services of the U.S.

The problem with this misrepresentation of information is that the NCHS only defines a “resident” of the U.S., not a “citizen” of the U.S. The difference is obvious. Essentially, Obama has exploited this NCHS statistical protocols used to report natal statistics in order to declare himself a natural-born citizen by proxy of his mother’s U.S. residency, without being forced to be accountable for his own Constitutionally disqualified “citizenship” status as president. Since births are recorded in real time while populations are measured every ten years, the VSIM manual actually acknowledges that the necessity for such interpretation “introduces arbitrary and controversial factors into the procedure of allocation” by each state. As we now know, the factors applied by the State of Hawaii in granting Obama’s native birth registration has been nothing but arbitrary and controversial.
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With regard to Obama’s birthplace, the only documented reference appears on a digitally fabricated image, proven to be a forgery, posted to the internet and ignorantly endorsed and accepted without inquiry by many. However, we now know that Obama’s actual birthplace information was recorded in four separate sources, not just a birth certificate, by four different agencies in 1961.

His birthplace was recorded by the foreign health agency with jurisdiction over the facility where he emerged from his mother’s womb. It was then recorded by the local registrar’s office upon registration in Hawaii before being reallocated to his mother’s place of residence. It was then recorded by the State of Hawaii’s main office prior to being tabulated and coded for reporting to the NCHS. And, it was transcribed for record exchange with the foreign health agency and recorded by the National Center for Health Statistics for storage to data file tape currently residing at the National Archives and Records Administration, from which Obama restricted its release with Executive Order 13489.

THE END OF THE ROAD: FOREIGN BIRTH TRANSCRIPT EXCHANGE AND DATA TAPE FILE RECORD

The instructions for allocating births to “place of residence” were published in the Vital Statistics Instruction Manual, Part 1: “Coding and Punching Geographic and Personal Particulars of Births, Deaths and Stillbirths Occurring During 1961.” An internal office copy of this document resides in the NCHS main office in Hyattsville, Maryland, and was made available for in-house review for this report, but was not provided for public disbursement. However, it was provided to all state Health agencies by the vital records coding regulatory office of the National Center for Health Statistics Office of Vital Statistics in 1961.

The report states:

"Allocation of births to place of residence. The allocation of live births to “place of residence” is made according to the same general principles as the allocation of other vital events in the U.S. In the case of births, the usual residence of the mother is considered to be the place of residence of the child, and the allocation of the birth to the mother’s place of residence is not affected by the mother’s length of stay in the location in which the birth occurs. For the purpose of coding natality transcripts, these rules have been expanded in definite coding instructions which state the procedure followed in each case.” "
According to the procedures for birth allocation to “place of residence” the NCHS outlines those used for this statistical reporting method as follows:

1. Natality data should be compiled so as to correspond with enumerated populations (Census data) on which rates are based. Each birth should be assigned to the area which was the “usual place of residence” of the mother.

2. Mothers who, at the time of the birth, had been living more than one year in a community are considered residents of that community even though some other place may be stated on the certificate.

3. Mothers of births which occurred in nonresident institutions such as hospitals, T.B. sanatoriums, convalescent homes, jails, etc., are reallocated to the usual place of residence if they were confined in the institution for less than one year.

4. Mothers in resident institutions, where length of stay is usually extended, such as mental institutions, orphanages, retirement homes, homes for the blind, disabled and deaf, etc. are reallocated to their prior place of residence.

5. Births to mothers whose usual place of residence is a foreign country or a United States possession outside of the United States are not reallocated to the usual place of residence.

6. Infants born at locations other than the place of residence of the mother are reallocated to the place of residence of the mother.

Essentially, this protocol instructed the Hawaiian Registrars Office to oversee the content of Obama’s birth certificate in such a way that his natal statistics would be tabulated as a result of an allocation of his birth to Ann Dunham’s “place of residence” in the U.S., regardless of the actual location of the occurrence of the birth. Simply, in the interest of data uniformity between the census bureau and the NCHS, Obama’s birth certificate was required to show his birth place as being the same as the mother’s residence because his birth impacted the population and municipal services of Hawaii, not those of the foreign government and population where his birth actually occurred.

The allocation of Obama’s birth to “place of residence” in 1961 was deeply subjected to the Hawaiian municipal agency’s need for conveying natal statistics and census data which would demonstrate the most need for funding and resources needed to expand its public health services, meet infrastructure demands of the population and provide natal-health care for future birth rates. The only way provided by the federal government to do this was by allocation to place of residence using the standard birth report form known as a U.S. “Certificate of Live Birth”.
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The 1961 Vital Statistics of the U.S. Report, Volume 1: Natality states, “The principal value of vital statistics data is obtained through the presentation of such data, which are computed by relating the vital events of a class (Hawaiian geography) to population of a similarly defined class (Hawaiian residents). Vital statistics and population statistics must, therefore, be classified according to similarly defined systems and tabulated in comparable groups.

Logically, births and deaths effect population. Therefore, the NCHS employs methods for accounting natal statistics in the U.S. which serve the interests of public health services and municipal agencies which operate on resources provided directly as result of census and vital statistics data. This situation was especially attributable to the new state of Hawaii’s government, just after the 1960 Census in which it was included for the first time.

The 1961 Vital Statistics Instruction manual states: "For State totals, only those persons who cross State lines need be considered in a reallocation by “place of residence”, since any movement within the State is irrelevant."

In conclusion, with regard to the birth of Barack Obama, the principal value of his individual natal data is obtained by presenting that data in relationship to the community and geography of which he becomes a member as a result of his birth, not migration. It is meaningless for a community to present foreign births on a birth certificate in a manner which prevents the impact of that birth data from being considered in the resident population of the community which is affects.

The allocation of birth place to “place of residence” is a highly significant declaration in determining the manner in which Obama’s foreign birth was recorded, collected, tabulated and reported by the State of Hawaii and how that birth information led him to falsely claim that he is a natural born citizen. Combining the allocation of “place of residence” for birthplace with Hawaii’s unique geographic characteristics, along with its unique indigenous cultural history, we now understand how the State of Hawaii Department of Health issued a birth certificate for Obama’s foreign birth which shows Hawaii as the place of birth by proxy."

Complete article: http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2012/03/vital-records-indicate-obama-not-born.html


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To: Seizethecarp
New York, New York, United States September 9. 1959

Cora Weiss (second from left), Executive Director of the African American Students Foundation, at Idlewild Airport welcoming the 81 students from Kenya on the first Airlift. Prior to the airlift, Kenyan labor leader Tom Mboya had toured the United States and persuaded many universities and colleges to provide scholarships for students from East Africa, mostly Kenya. The African American Students Foundation was founded to raise money to get the students to the United States to use these scholarships. The Foundation organized several airlifts. On the right with his back to the camera is William X. Scheinman who set up the African American Students Foundation. Scheinman was also a contributor. Photo courtesy of Cora Weiss.

Collection: Private collection of Cora and Peter Weiss

Malcolm X meeting with students from East Africa at a welcoming program for students bought to the United States to study by the African American Students Foundation. Photo courtesy of Cora Weiss

Collection: Private collection of Cora and Peter Weiss

81 posted on 03/13/2012 11:18:05 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: BIGLOOK

How about from the Middle East, say Cairo? Still land in New York first? I notice the baby-sitters family, (through marriage) who were migrants from Cairo in 1946, all left their ship in New York.
But if, in 1961, a person in the middle east wanted to holiday in Hawaii, could they have flown direct, or had a layover in Indonesia?

I don’t want to know much, do I?


82 posted on 03/13/2012 11:32:11 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: FreedBird
Is there proof Obama’s dad and mother were actually married?

They got divorced, and those records have been revealed. But there was not a copy of the marriage certificate in the paperwork. No copy of that, or any marriage announcement has been found. That is a someone unusual in a time and place when all the births were reported in not one, but two newspapers. My hometown, now approaching 200,000 souls, has a regular daily newspaper that continues to report both marriages and births, including in the online version. But that is not true in most places that large.

Besides, BHO Sr was already married to a Kenyan woman. After abandoning BO and his mother (she was likely glad to see him go) Sr. married another Caucasian woman from Boston, but he did it in Kenya where multiple wives are legal. IIRC, he later married another Kenyan woman. What all these women saw in a drunken carouser, I haven't a clue.

83 posted on 03/13/2012 11:34:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: little jeremiah

The ‘real birthday’ for BHO2 hasn’t been ‘discovered’, it’s just the date that popped up on the Search conducted by the PI.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23617671/BARNETT-v-OBAMA-Exhibit-Barack-Obama-Background-Report

It’s either a birthday for zero written as 8/1/61 in the USA fashion, or it’s a birthday for the man from Equatorial Guinea, written in the european fashion - which would make it JANUARY 8, 1961.


84 posted on 03/13/2012 11:38:36 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: rxsid
were lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961, by a person duly authorized to perform marriage cerimonies and ever since that date have been and are now husband and wife.

They had Imams and/or witch doctors on Maui in 1961? Who knew.

85 posted on 03/13/2012 11:43:16 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: rxsid
Also, do you have proof that Sr's first marriage was still active in 1960/61? Or, are you assuming like most of us are?

How could I prove I'm still married to me my wife? I could prove I wasn't if I had divorce papers, but how would I prove I am?

IOW, you are asking for something that does not exist.

Now they are likely documents tending to show that a marriage still exists, like joint tax returns, joint bank accounts, cencus records etc. Probably none of them, save maybe a cencus record, would apply in 1961 Kenya.

The guy was a Muslim, he could have just said "I divorce thee", three times, and he no longer be married to "that woman".

86 posted on 03/13/2012 11:53:02 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Boogieman
It seems to me that the guidelines they reference are only about how the vital statistics are reported to the Feds

That's my take as well. The birth certificate would still show the correct place of birth.

87 posted on 03/13/2012 11:55:49 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: little jeremiah
...I have wondered about the clan accepting Zero, since they must have know he was NOT the son of the Kenyan, since the real son of the Kenyan had lived around at least some of them, looked like the Kenyan, and Zero looks nothing like him. Do they really think Zero is the real BHO or was it money talking?

I naturally wondered about that myself, remember 'auntie' Zeituni saying that she was there when the letter arrived from the kenyan in Hawaii, to say that he had a son? It would be helpful to know the date on which that letter arrived in the village...Onyango, the only member of the clan who could read, would have read the letter our to the extended family... And when Stanley Ann and zero arrived in the village to introduce themselves, in 1983, according to a member of the clan in Kogelo, all she would have had to say is 'here we are, the white woman he married in Hawaii, and this is our son...' But that would only work if the dark boy had remained with his father and Ruth in Nairobi, and the villagers never knew who he was, in which case Malik would not have provided the revelation that he remembers playing with BHO2 when they both were boys...so what further lies remain to be uncovered?

88 posted on 03/14/2012 2:03:55 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Seizethecarp

WHO IS CORA WEISS?

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Cora_Weiss


89 posted on 03/14/2012 4:21:51 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: BIGLOOK

IIRC there was a British airline that had a flight from Mombassa through Glascow to Vancouver. Often carried students, missionaries and military in empty seats Check flights from Seattle to HI too.


90 posted on 03/14/2012 4:36:12 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: hoosiermama
Speculation regarding the possible flight by Ann Dunham with her new baby boy, BHO-II, in late August 1961 from Embakasi Airport, Nairobi to London Airport (North Side)

Based on the April 24, 1960 BOAC schedule (Section: Britain – East & Central Africa) linked below, it is possible, for example, that Ann Dunham and her new baby took BOAC Flight BA162 (Sunday or Wednesday) in August 1961 on a ‘Bristol Britannia Turboprop Aircraft’ which departed Nairobi at 20.30 (GMT +3), made stops in Entebbe, Khartoum, and Rome, and arrived in London at 12.35 (GMT +1) on the next day. Thus, the total flight time was just slightly over 18 hours. Two main meals and a breakfast were served on the flight. Britannia Flight BA160 (Thursday or Saturday), another possibility, did not stop in Entebbe and therefore arrived in London a few hours earlier.

As another possibility, Ann and her newborn son could have taken BOAC Flight BA116 (Monday, Tuesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday) on a 'de Havilland Comet 4 Jet Aircraft', which departed Nairobi at 3:35 (GMT+3), made stops only in Khartoum and Rome, and arrived in London at 14.15 (GMT+1). The total flight time for this option was just slightly under 13 hours. A breakfast and a main meal were served on the flight. Comet 4 Flight BA122 (Wednesday), another possibility, had the same flight time of slightly under 13 hours.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ba60/ba60-12.jpg

Images of the BOAC air routes (world & africa respectively), published April 24, 1960:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ba60/ba60-13.jpg

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ba62/ba62-36.jpg

Speculation regarding the possible flight by Ann Dunham with her new baby boy, BHO-II, in August 1961 from London to Vancouver, Canada, prior to their trip to Seattle, Washington where she started attended night school extension classes at the University of Washington in the Fall Semester.

Based on the April 24, 1960 BOAC schedule (Section: Europe - Britain - Ireland - Canada - USA) linked below, it is possible, for example, that Ann Dunham and her new baby son took Trans Canada Flight TC541 (Wednesday) in August 1961 on a Lockheed ‘Super Constellation’ which departed London (North Side) at 17.00 (GMT +1), made stops in Glasgow, Scotland, Winnepeg, Canada, and arrived in Vancouver at 7.40 (GMT -7) on Thursday morning. Thus, the total flight time for the trip was just slightly under 23 hours.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ba60/ba60-02.jpg

91 posted on 03/14/2012 7:06:06 AM PDT by WhizCodger (Katie - Bar the door, then text my reply of "F U" to the NWO!)
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks; little jeremiah; Fractal Trader
ping to extensive discussion between Fred Nerks and Little Jeremiah fleshing out an alternate “narrative” that Barry is not who he claims to be and the identities of the two little boys (dark and light) and where and when that family picture with BHO Sr. and Ruth was taken. I disagree, but as there is no reliable BC for Barry we don't know, yet, who he is and who his parents were.

FN Comments 28, 59, 60, 62, 64, 69, 80, 84, 88

92 posted on 03/14/2012 7:52:19 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
DL: I think you may find this thread highly interesting.

Oh yes! Very much so! The Daily Pen has been doing some very good work. I have already been citing them in arguments. Thanks for the ping.

93 posted on 03/14/2012 7:59:51 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Fred Nerks; Red Steel; LucyT
“This is probably the application lodged on the very same day the Virginia Sunahara birth/death announcement appeared.”

It is possible that the application looked like the “Blaine BC,” but the Blaine BC has been proved to be a clever forgery. There are administrative notations and partial signature artifacts in the signature fields identical to another HI BC. When the original and Blaine are compared it can be seen that the original signatures were mostly but not completely blocked out leaving tell-tale parts of the original signatures on the Blaine BC, especially in field 19a. This analysis was previously posted on FR.

Looking on the web, the following 2009 link provided the blank template for the Blaine BC where the signature artifacts and stray notations can be seen:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-june10/

The blank template above was created from the HI LFBC of a person born in HI in the early 1960’s who put their BC on the web, but it has since been removed, it seems.

94 posted on 03/14/2012 8:22:59 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp; Brown Deer; sneakers; mojito; FARS; OafOfOffice; spacejunkie2001; MHGinTN; ...

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Ping

. . . . Check out # 94.

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95 posted on 03/14/2012 9:15:58 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Danae

That excerpt is from this site:

http://themombosanson.blogspot.com/

Scroll down .. eerie.


96 posted on 03/14/2012 9:29:55 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Nothing says “authentic” like a Plains Radio watermark.


97 posted on 03/14/2012 9:35:05 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: rxsid
I am natural-born citizen of the United States because the laws of the state of Hawaii says I am, despite the fact that my natal origins are nowhere near American soil. I could actually run for President, despite being born abroad, under the same circumstances Barack Obama was."

Even if you were born in the Lincoln bedroom without a US citizen father, you aren't a NBC.

98 posted on 03/14/2012 9:52:28 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: ought-six
The United States did not recognize polygamy in 1961.

Didn't Kenya? Also, was Kesiah's marriage legally recorded or was it more of a tribal ceremony, jump the broom, or a hey let's shack up free cow's milk thing?

99 posted on 03/14/2012 10:01:35 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Fred Nerks

The only thing that holds me to believing Sr. is the father is the lying gene that was passed down through the Kenyan tribe.


100 posted on 03/14/2012 10:11:15 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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